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Yes, I've argued repeatedly that there are very few true atheists. Most are strong agnostics who don't know the difference, or just like to call themselves atheists because they think agnostic sounds wishy washy or they just like ****ing off religious folk.

I define those who claim to have NO belief one way or the other as being agnostics.

:eek:
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Thanks, Bob & Bill! Those dang atheists are always trying to co-opt us agnostics.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
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On 2012-07-02 20:41, LobowolfXXX wrote:
Thanks, Bob & Bill! Those dang atheists are always trying to co-opt us agnostics.

We all have our crosses to bear, Lobo.
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On 2012-07-02 20:37, mastermindreader wrote:
Yes, I've argued repeatedly that there are very few true atheists. Most are strong agnostics who don't know the difference, or just like to call themselves atheists because they think agnostic sounds wishy washy or they just like ****ing off religious folk.

I define those who claim to have NO belief one way or the other as being agnostics.

:eek:


Where did you get the idea there are very few atheits? There are a lot more than you may think.
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Are you counting the ones who believe in God?

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/200......used-to/
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
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Thanks, Bob & Bill! Those dang atheists are always trying to co-opt us agnostics.

We all have our crosses to bear, Lobo.


:applause:
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
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Are you counting the ones who believe in God?

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/200......used-to/


Of course. Everyone knows us atheists believe in God. It's just like saying atheism is a religion. When we get a tax free status, we'll be a religion.
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Tax free?! Hang on...I want to be a religion.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
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Amen Brother! Smile
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On 2012-07-02 20:37, mastermindreader wrote:
Yes, I've argued repeatedly that there are very few true atheists. Most are strong agnostics who don't know the difference, or just like to call themselves atheists because they think agnostic sounds wishy washy or they just like ****ing off religious folk.

I define those who claim to have NO belief one way or the other as being agnostics.

:eek:


Where did you get the idea there are very few atheits? There are a lot more than you may think.


I think you missed my point. I didn't say there weren't many self-described "atheists." I said "true" atheists. As I said, I think that most people who CALL themselves atheists are really strong agnostics. Unless you are affirmatively stating that no god exists (something that would require proof) I don't consider you to be an atheist.
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Unless you are affirmatively stating that no god exists (something that would require proof) I don't consider you to be an atheist.

Nor do Messrs. Merriam and Webster.
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On 2012-07-02 20:37, mastermindreader wrote:
Yes, I've argued repeatedly that there are very few true atheists. Most are strong agnostics who don't know the difference, or just like to call themselves atheists because they think agnostic sounds wishy washy or they just like ****ing off religious folk.

I define those who claim to have NO belief one way or the other as being agnostics.

:eek:


Where did you get the idea there are very few atheits? There are a lot more than you may think.


I think you missed my point. I didn't say there weren't many self-described "atheists." I said "true" atheists. As I said, I think that most people who CALL themselves atheists are really strong agnostics. Unless you are affirmatively stating that no god exists (something that would require proof) I don't consider you to be an atheist.


My preferred definitions are the same as yours, but I don't think the statement that no god exists requires proof. The world provides evidence, and different people find different things persuasive in different directions. I don't think the theists OR the atheists need proof.

Lucky for them.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
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I agree Lobo. BUT if one has no proof to support the statement "There is no God," then it is simply a statement of belief. Some atheists here, however, state that atheism is, by definition, an absence of belief regarding the existence or non-existence of God. THAT, however, is the definition of agnosticism.

Even such a prominent "neo-atheist" as Richard Dawkins has conceded that he cannot state definitively that there is no God. But since neo-atheism is an activist movement whose purpose is to stifle the effects of organized religion on society, the title "atheist" has come to mean something different (among them) than its primary definition.
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And I argued that if God really did not exist---neither would atheists. The Bible is clear that there is NO other name by which men must be saved. That name is Jesus. No other faith or religion has that name save Christianity. It is not symbolic and it pulls no punches. You want eternal life and Salvation? Jesus is the name.

The Bible says we are to have NO other god's before God. He is the One and Only. There are over 300 prophecies that point to the coming Messiah. Jesus is the ONLY one to fulfill all of them. The Bible is so clear and accurate and yet people can't see it. The Bible says some will have eyes that don't see and ears that don't hear when it come to God's Word. You see you who do not believe actually show just how accurate God's Word is. There is no other book that can claim that. Some of you are very intelligent too but I wonder at what point does that make you not see what is so clear?


Good magic to all,


Eric
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Proof of some supernarural being that created everything. Supernatural claims require proof.

Of course they don't. No more than atheist's unproven claim "There is no God."

You are mistaken. We as atheists make no claims at all. All the claims are up to those who choose to hold supernatural beliefs.

Our job is easy. We don't have to believe anything and we have our Sunday's free.

Didn't we go through this about 20 pages ago?

athe·ist \ˈâ-thç-ist\ n: one who believes that there is no deity.

Atheists do, in fact, make a claim: there is no God. And they cannot prove that claim.

If you believe nothing (with respect to the existence of God), you might be an agnostic, but you're not an atheist.


I believe you misunderstand the word "atheist".
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Here is a thought to ponder. Believe in the Scriptures or not there is NO denying what I'm about to say. As a world we are pulling away from God's Word. That is a fact. A fact also that the Bible said would happen as the end times are approaching. Another fact Israel is for the first time in a long time actually surrounded now by enemies---there are officially no agreements any longer between any countries and Israel that are binding. The Bible says this too will happen. This too regardless if you believe God's Word or not is a fact.

Now someone tell me something? How do you get a whole world to start pulling away in a short period of time and also have the power issues in the Middle East start up in a short period of time? Remember Christians do not want either of these things to happen (yet we are glad to see it because we know Jesus will return soon) and we do not cause these things to happen. Non Christians who do not believe in the Bible are in fact the ones that are fulfilling what is written. You see there in lies the answer to why is the Bible so special?. Pin point accuracy. We know the players, we know the countries and we know the out come. I challenge any of you to find writings with that much pin point accuracy. Oh hear O Israel the Lord thy God is God.


Good magic to all,


Eric
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... there is NO denying what I'm about to say... Eric


Just about any statement can be denied. Almost any statement that contains poorly defined and/or unverifiable referents can be dismissed as meaningless. Capitalizing words does not give the words or the statement additional validity. You are of course free to believe as you wish about what you will and maintain your civil rights... at least for now under this government... here, sort of.
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The Amazing Criswell was pretty good too! (As long as you ignored his misses- like the date the world would end, etc.)

He even predicted the exact date of the Kennedy assassination LIVE on the Jack Paar show! Talk about pin- point accuracy! There is No Denying his Astounding Prophecies!
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Criswell!
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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Proof of some supernarural being that created everything. Supernatural claims require proof.

Of course they don't. No more than atheist's unproven claim "There is no God."

You are mistaken. We as atheists make no claims at all. All the claims are up to those who choose to hold supernatural beliefs.

Our job is easy. We don't have to believe anything and we have our Sunday's free.

Didn't we go through this about 20 pages ago?

athe·ist \ˈâ-thç-ist\ n: one who believes that there is no deity.

Atheists do, in fact, make a claim: there is no God. And they cannot prove that claim.

If you believe nothing (with respect to the existence of God), you might be an agnostic, but you're not an atheist.

I believe you misunderstand the word "atheist".

I believe that you do.
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