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I am just curious and of course you do not have to answer. Were your parents atheists and were their parents atheists and if yes to both do you have any idea when your family turned atheist. The reason for asking is actaully brought on by your stating that children are born into a religion, which I believe you are correct, and having said that I am curious when your family changed their their views as atheisiem is not a religion so I would imagine somewhere back in you lineage your family had some sort of religious beliefs and was curious as to when they broke these ties or are you the first?

I for one follow your example and for as far back as I can trace my family has been catholic.
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Hi Lobo,
No-ones ever added or taken away anything from the Bible, except for Christians.

This is a new heaven and a new earth, and there is no more sea. The sea of division between religions is gone. There is only one religion of God, eternal in the past, eternal in the future

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R.S.

I am just curious and of course you do not have to answer. Were your parents atheists and were their parents atheists and if yes to both do you have any idea when your family turned atheist. The reason for asking is actaully brought on by your stating that children are born into a religion, which I believe you are correct, and having said that I am curious when your family changed their their views as atheisiem is not a religion so I would imagine somewhere back in you lineage your family had some sort of religious beliefs and was curious as to when they broke these ties or are you the first?

I for one follow your example and for as far back as I can trace my family has been catholic.


It is Bahai law that patents educate their children on science and ALL religion. At the age of 15, all children of Baha'i parents have the obligation to choose what pathway they wish to take in life

Kam
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Hi Lobo,
No-ones ever added or taken away anything from the Bible, except for Christians.

This is a new heaven and a new earth, and there is no more sea. The sea of division between religions is gone. There is only one religion of God, eternal in the past, eternal in the future

Kam


Anyone who claims that the Bible is the true word of God and some other stuff that came later is true, too is, in some people's minds (and I think it's a pretty good interpretation) "adding unto" the things in it.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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On 2012-06-23 21:39, acesover wrote:
R.S.

I am just curious and of course you do not have to answer. Were your parents atheists and were their parents atheists and if yes to both do you have any idea when your family turned atheist. The reason for asking is actaully brought on by your stating that children are born into a religion, which I believe you are correct, and having said that I am curious when your family changed their their views as atheisiem is not a religion so I would imagine somewhere back in you lineage your family had some sort of religious beliefs and was curious as to when they broke these ties or are you the first?

I for one follow your example and for as far back as I can trace my family has been catholic.


It is Bahai law that patents educate their children on science and ALL religion. At the age of 15, all children of Baha'i parents have the obligation to choose what pathway they wish to take in life

Kam


What about the non-Baha'i parents of a sovereign nation under a Baha'i parliament?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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On 2012-06-23 09:14, acesover wrote:
Obviously the majority of people in this world have been fooled according to you as I believe the majority of people in this world are christians. I guess you atheists are just smarter than most everyone else. Smile Can't fool you guys first there was nothing then there was something then here we are Bang. And you are talking about a ball under a cup. Jeeeez.

BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT


Aces,

EVERYBODY in the world has been deceived by their own senses/perceptions/memory at one time or another. Claiming 100% certainty about anything is probably not a good idea. (and I'm 99.9999% certain about that statement) Smile

Yes, I AM talking about a ball under a cup! It either exists or it does not, right? Some wholeheartedly believe it does while some may not. But when the cup is lifted and the truth is revealed, we see that somebody was wrong. Somebody who "knew for sure" that they were correct in their belief.

No thanks, I will NOT "believe what I want." I will instead accept that which is backed by sound evidence, reason, and logic. And I will, if necessary, gladly dismiss that which I have previously accepted in the face of new, more convincing evidence for something else. That should be the correct approach, no?


Ron


OK then. Having said what you said above. Exactly what proof would you need to believe in God? What sort of sound evidence, reason and logic would make yo ubelieve in God? You did saay yoiu would except that which is back by those atributes? So again just asking?


An omiscient and omnipotent God would know what it would take to convince me. If he wants to leave convincing evidence (convincing to me), or reveal himself to me in some way, it would easily be in his power to do so.

But let me ask you, what would it take for YOU to believe in, say, Ganesha?

Ron
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I have a friend who went to Ganesha High.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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On 2012-06-23 21:39, acesover wrote:
R.S.

I am just curious and of course you do not have to answer. Were your parents atheists and were their parents atheists and if yes to both do you have any idea when your family turned atheist. The reason for asking is actaully brought on by your stating that children are born into a religion, which I believe you are correct, and having said that I am curious when your family changed their their views as atheisiem is not a religion so I would imagine somewhere back in you lineage your family had some sort of religious beliefs and was curious as to when they broke these ties or are you the first?

I for one follow your example and for as far back as I can trace my family has been catholic.


That's a valid question Aces, and I thank you for asking. My parents were Catholic. And so were their parents. And their parents, as far as I know. I myself was a Catholic and a believer. I don't know if I'm the first to break religious ties - I may have some agnostic or atheist relatives someplace, but I really don't know. My guess is they would be few and far between. What about you?

Ron
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On 2012-06-23 21:39, acesover wrote:
R.S.

I am just curious and of course you do not have to answer. Were your parents atheists and were their parents atheists and if yes to both do you have any idea when your family turned atheist. The reason for asking is actaully brought on by your stating that children are born into a religion, which I believe you are correct, and having said that I am curious when your family changed their their views as atheisiem is not a religion so I would imagine somewhere back in you lineage your family had some sort of religious beliefs and was curious as to when they broke these ties or are you the first?

I for one follow your example and for as far back as I can trace my family has been catholic.


It is Bahai law that patents educate their children on science and ALL religion. At the age of 15, all children of Baha'i parents have the obligation to choose what pathway they wish to take in life

Kam


Thanks for you response, but the question was for R.S. Smile
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On 2012-06-23 21:39, acesover wrote:
R.S.

I am just curious and of course you do not have to answer. Were your parents atheists and were their parents atheists and if yes to both do you have any idea when your family turned atheist. The reason for asking is actaully brought on by your stating that children are born into a religion, which I believe you are correct, and having said that I am curious when your family changed their their views as atheisiem is not a religion so I would imagine somewhere back in you lineage your family had some sort of religious beliefs and was curious as to when they broke these ties or are you the first?

I for one follow your example and for as far back as I can trace my family has been catholic.


That's a valid question Aces, and I thank you for asking. My parents were Catholic. And so were their parents. And their parents, as far as I know. I myself was a Catholic and a believer. I don't know if I'm the first to break religious ties - I may have some agnostic or atheist relatives someplace, but I really don't know. My guess is they would be few and far between. What about you?

Ron


I stated before that I am a model as to what you said about having been born into my religion. As far back as I can go my family were always catholic. This I can trace back to before they immigrated to the U.S. from Poland.

BTW thanks for your response.
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On 2012-06-23 21:39, acesover wrote:
R.S.

I am just curious and of course you do not have to answer. Were your parents atheists and were their parents atheists and if yes to both do you have any idea when your family turned atheist. The reason for asking is actaully brought on by your stating that children are born into a religion, which I believe you are correct, and having said that I am curious when your family changed their their views as atheisiem is not a religion so I would imagine somewhere back in you lineage your family had some sort of religious beliefs and was curious as to when they broke these ties or are you the first?

I for one follow your example and for as far back as I can trace my family has been catholic.


That's a valid question Aces, and I thank you for asking. My parents were Catholic. And so were their parents. And their parents, as far as I know. I myself was a Catholic and a believer. I don't know if I'm the first to break religious ties - I may have some agnostic or atheist relatives someplace, but I really don't know. My guess is they would be few and far between. What about you?

Ron


I stated before that I am a model as to what you said about having been born into my religion. As far back as I can go my family were always catholic. This I can trace back to before they immigrated to the U.S. from Poland.

BTW thanks for your response.


No problem Aces!

Ron
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I am just curious and of course you do not have to answer. Were your parents atheists and were their parents atheists and if yes to both do you have any idea when your family turned atheist. The reason for asking is actaully brought on by your stating that children are born into a religion, which I believe you are correct, and having said that I am curious when your family changed their their views as atheisiem is not a religion so I would imagine somewhere back in you lineage your family had some sort of religious beliefs and was curious as to when they broke these ties or are you the first?

I for one follow your example and for as far back as I can trace my family has been catholic.


It is Bahai law that patents educate their children on science and ALL religion. At the age of 15, all children of Baha'i parents have the obligation to choose what pathway they wish to take in life

Kam


What about the non-Baha'i parents of a sovereign nation under a Baha'i parliament?


What Bahai parliament?

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The commonwealth with the world legislature designed and empowered to bring the Baha'i vision to fruition.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Obviously the majority of people in this world have been fooled according to you as I believe the majority of people in this world are christians. I guess you atheists are just smarter than most everyone else. Smile Can't fool you guys first there was nothing then there was something then here we are Bang. And you are talking about a ball under a cup. Jeeeez.

BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT


Aces,

EVERYBODY in the world has been deceived by their own senses/perceptions/memory at one time or another. Claiming 100% certainty about anything is probably not a good idea. (and I'm 99.9999% certain about that statement) Smile

Yes, I AM talking about a ball under a cup! It either exists or it does not, right? Some wholeheartedly believe it does while some may not. But when the cup is lifted and the truth is revealed, we see that somebody was wrong. Somebody who "knew for sure" that they were correct in their belief.

No thanks, I will NOT "believe what I want." I will instead accept that which is backed by sound evidence, reason, and logic. And I will, if necessary, gladly dismiss that which I have previously accepted in the face of new, more convincing evidence for something else. That should be the correct approach, no?


Ron


OK then. Having said what you said above. Exactly what proof would you need to believe in God? What sort of sound evidence, reason and logic would make yo ubelieve in God? You did saay yoiu would except that which is back by those atributes? So again just asking?


An omiscient and omnipotent God would know what it would take to convince me. If he wants to leave convincing evidence (convincing to me), or reveal himself to me in some way, it would easily be in his power to do so.

But let me ask you, what would it take for YOU to believe in, say, Ganesha?

Ron


Who?

I already have a belief so I am not open to any more.

So you cannot reallyanswer my question can you? You said and I quote you here: "I will instead accept that which is backed by sound evidence, reason, and logic." but when I asked you what it would take you have no answer. So what you said is a lot of baloney right? I mean I am only quoting you not being a wise guy here.
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I already have a belief so I am not open to any more.


That comes pretty close to summarizing the difference between science and religion.
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The commonwealth with the world legislature designed and empowered to bring the Baha'i vision to fruition.


It is my understanding of the Bahai writings that this vision will occur regardless of the Bahai Faiths input. It's the next stage in humanity's organic evolution.

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When you refer to Baha'i Law, though, are you referring to laws that only Baha'i are subject to (when this vision occurs), or do think that the compulsory religious education is one of those laws that would be required to "regulate the life, satisfy the needs and adjust the relationships of all races and peoples."?
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Also, organic evolution costs more than regular evolution.
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Baha'i law only applies to Bahais. If the constituent members of a democratic state choose to adopt Bahai law as their principle constitution, then that might be another matter.

A lot of Bahai law is already seen in most western countries today anyway. I guess the application of a 'year of patience' for divorcing couples would come into play too. Can't really think of many other things off the top of my head....

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...I guess the application of a 'year of patience' for divorcing couples would come into play too...


I don't know what this is- but if it's what it sounds like then it sounds just awful.

*Edit* Looked it up. It's what it sounds like.
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