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The great Gumbini Inner circle 2059 Posts 
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Dreadnought,
I'm sorry that was actually meant for Steve. You and I are very much on the same page my friend and brother. Eric |
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The great Gumbini Inner circle 2059 Posts
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Steve,
We need our parents when we are born and to guide us. How much more do we need God who knows ALWAYS the best way to guide us through life? Good magic to all, Eric |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2551 Posts
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On 2012-06-24 03:44, kambiz wrote: It is what it sounds like. I don't know how to simplify that any further.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 819 Posts
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On 2012-06-24 09:30, Steve_Mollett wrote: Finally you got it right. God always was and always will be. However the second part of your statement, If the 'god' could have "always existed," why couldn't the elements that compose the constantly-in-motion universe? It is a questioin that we have answered several times becasue until God created them they did not exist. They could not have come from nothing. they are nothing but elements and pocess no God like qualities. God made them just as He made everything else. While it is hard to believe as an atheist we get bacak to what I have been ssaying for quite some times now, believe what you want. I gave you my thoughts on where everything came from and I am sure yours differ being an atheist, so again believe what you want. I do.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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kambiz Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts
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On 2012-06-24 13:32, critter wrote: This says a lot of things about your state of mind critter. I ask you again to please elaborate what it is, so everyone may be educated fully like you obviously have been.... Go ahead...... 
Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 819 Posts
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On 2012-06-24 09:39, R.S. wrote: I do agree that it is a peice of cake for God to do those things. However I do not see it happening to bring you into accepting God. At least we now know what it takes to convince you. Thanks for that. Because that is what I asked and you answered. To bad you weren't around for the parting of the Sea or the changing of the Nile to blood. I belieive theyare beyond the ability of man also. But of course those that did not see this say it did not happen. So as time would go on there would be people that would say that what aGod did for you also did not happen.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2551 Posts
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On 2012-06-24 15:11, kambiz wrote: This says a lot about yours. Why do I have to explain it? You're the one who said it- you explain it. I Googled it and got a bunch of links from Bahai sites. I know I'm not the only one with Google. You can explain it, or they can Google it. You want me to organize research on a term that you brought up then my rate is $50/hour. You can PayPal the advance. That'll include a references section.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1191 Posts
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Kam-
Other than Baha'i law, what steps do you think will regulate the life, satisfy the needs and adjust the relationships of all races and peoples?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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mastermindreader V.I.P. Seattle, WA 12589 Posts
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I'm wondering how a proposal to satisfy the needs of all people would be applied to those who are sado-masochists or drug addicts.
To avoid that interpretation it seems obvious that the governing council would be the ones determining what the real needs of the people are. It sounds like they would consider their decisions to be "for their own good" even if all of the people didn't agree. |
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kambiz Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts
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On 2012-06-24 15:26, LobowolfXXX wrote: I'm not really sure Lobo. All I know is that the world is organically evolving to a recognition that we are all one human race. Today we see several countries where there are severe persecutions happening where this reality of oneness is not being practiced. Maybe the US and its allies, rather than 'adjusting its relationship with other nations' over oil, would possibly in the future look at adjusting relationships to encourage an environment where love and harmony may have a better chance of existing. Better justice for all. That's all it's saying, nothing more nothing less, just better justice for the oppressed.... Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
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kambiz Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts
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On 2012-06-24 15:32, mastermindreader wrote: Bob, I say it again, you have completely misunderstood this entire concept.... Other than reading the relevant literature, I cannot assist in that understanding, it's too long winded for this forum... Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
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kambiz Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts
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On 2012-06-24 15:20, critter wrote: Let there be no doubt that you have made a prejudiced comment, and your slithering out of it again critter.... I think acesover's comments to people like your dear self would be appropriate here....."believe what you want" I would add also "show some balls and back up your words" Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2551 Posts
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On 2012-06-24 15:52, kambiz wrote: How did I make a prejudiced comment? My post is there for anyone to read. It's pretty obviously not remotely prejudiced. Once again, you misrepresent my words by filling in the gaps from your own preconceptions- so who's prejudiced? "Slither?" Are you kidding me?: "IT IS EXACTLY WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE." That is the explanation. How is it "slithering" to provide the ****ing explanation? Seriously? My love of parsimony is the line that sets you off? If you think I'm missing something then quit being such a smug little condescending... outstanding individual... and fill in what it is that you think is missing, Your Highness. For such an "evolved being" you have a lot of growing up to do. I know I have a long way to go too, but the difference between us is that I don't claim to have the best way, it's just my way, and I don't care if you cotton to it or not. Now, I do think you mean well. But "balls?" I antagonize people several hours a day for free just to record what happens. I like you, but I sure as Hell ain't worried about your twisted little opinion of me. Have a nice day.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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kambiz Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts
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Ok, mate, whatever you say....you say it sounds awful, then you say it is what it sounds like i.e awful.
You made the comment. I was asking you to elaborate what you found awful about it? You still refuse to answer my question.... .....and then you tell me I have a twisted opinion of you? Go figure lol Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2551 Posts
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On 2012-06-24 02:17, critter wrote: So here's all that I said. Pretty inoccuous. I have an opinion about one specific concept that Kam mentioned. Notice that my opinion is not of the entire religion, but one single concept. Notice that I didn't bash Kam's religion or its followers. I wasn't even bashing Kam. But because my opinion was not a positive one, Kam has chosen to respond by bashing me and accusing me of slithering spinelessness. I don't know what the Baha'i policy is on suppression of opinions, but I think Kam's views on the matter are clear. Thanks, "buddy." To be clear- I have many prejudices (as do we all) but I have none about the Baha'i faith. I have no opinion at all about the Baha'i faith as a whole. My opinions here are of what Kam says and nothing more.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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kambiz Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts
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Yet I think you've bashed every single concept of the Baha'i faith that I have raised on every thread....
I'm not worried as long as there's some explanation behind your thinking, but you choose not to elaborate at all.... kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2551 Posts
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On 2012-06-24 16:24, kambiz wrote: See below. Quote:
You made the comment. I was asking you to elaborate what you found awful about it? You did not ask that. You asked me to elaborate on what the concept is, not why I didn't like it. Quote:
Wrong, I answered the question you actually asked. Now you're moving the goalposts. Quote:
See above.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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Steve_Mollett Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3010 Posts
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On 2012-06-24 13:31, The great Gumbini wrote: I have the evidence of a lifetime for parents. I have NONE for deity. What's more, your analogy doesn't work. If we have a parent or guardian teaching us into adulthood, what's the need for a 'god?'
Author of: GARROTE ESCAPES
The absurd is the essential concept and the first truth. - Albert Camus |
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kambiz Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts
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On 2012-06-24 16:35, critter wrote: Lol.....far out mate..... critter, what do you "THINK" this concept is, is pretty clear in that it is asking for your "understanding." What was the thought process that made you conclude that it is awful? It's not rocket science..... I leave you in peace
Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
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Steve_Mollett Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3010 Posts
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On 2012-06-24 15:10, acesover wrote: HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT??? WHY couldn't the universe, in some form, have always existed? WHY does it HAVE to have been CREATED? WHY does an intelligent 'god' HAVE to exist for anything else to exist?
Author of: GARROTE ESCAPES
The absurd is the essential concept and the first truth. - Albert Camus |
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