|
|
Go to page [Previous] 1~2~3..6~7~8~9~10..22..33..44..55..64~65~66 [Next] | ||||||||||
LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Jeff-
You have lawyers in your family, and you don't think that man-made laws are subject to all sorts of interpretation?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
|||||||||
R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
Quote:
On 2012-06-12 01:13, The great Gumbini wrote: Please don't confuse being atheist with never having had a proper religious upbringing, never having attended the "right" church, or never having had a sense of a "real relationship" with God. One can fully believe something and then, after a re-examination of those beliefs, cease believing. The fact that many atheists are former preachers/ministers/priests etc., testifies to that fact. Ron :)
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
|
|||||||||
kambiz Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts |
Evolution dictates that when all trees grow to a level unreachable by the giraffe, it's the striving to continue to reach those heights, which prompts the gradual progress and development of the species to adapt to the new environment.
To categorize Gods educational framework to be exempt from that makes no rational sense. To be a preacher/minister in the church for so long, only to realize that some of the stuff therein just doesn't make sense any more, should, even to those who are lesser-developed mammals, prompt one to seek further clarification and extend oneself to ask "why?".....and thereby seek the truth..... ......not to just give up on the source of education altogether. When you go to school Ron, you sit in grade 5 for 20 years, learn again and again the same thing, I'm not surprised you're tired of it, but giving up in the entire concept of education altogether, makes no rational sense. Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
|||||||||
Jeff J. Special user Connecticut 787 Posts |
Quote:
On 2012-06-12 18:50, LobowolfXXX wrote: Everything is open to "some" interpretation, such as someone flashes a gun in my presence and is incoherently rambling about how how some people deserve to die, as opposed to someone waiting outside an abortion clinic with a bomb or gun because they feel their god would want them to kill a doctor, nurses, and patients inside a clinic. Actual law can only be interpreted in so many ways, but the Bible can be interpreted in as many ways as there are people who read it. |
|||||||||
Steve_Mollett Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3006 Posts |
Quote:
When you go to school Ron, you sit in grade 5 for 20 years, learn again and again the same thing, I'm not surprised you're tired of it, but giving up in the entire concept of education altogether, makes no rational sense. Giving up a previous educational paradigm makes sense if you learn and embrace a new paradigm.
Author of: GARROTE ESCAPES
The absurd is the essential concept and the first truth. - Albert Camus |
|||||||||
kambiz Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts |
Now onto the real subject of evolution. So, are we therefore genuinely saying that the evolution of man-made laws has created such a wonderful society?
Evolution has given rise to what Payne has written? To commit adultery "at your own discretion"? To bear false witness "only if you can get away with it"? Man o man.....there is no clearer light of day than the differences I see here. And this what I wrote in my original response to the OP. A Supreme Being provides education directly catered for the era/age that we live in. From there on in, that education elevates our consciousness to a point that we are aware at all times and under all conditions what our responsibilities are, not just to ourselves but to our fellow co-habitants on this earth. "Truthfulness is the foundation of all human virtues"......not recognizing how that simple truth, which is not a law of any land, can contribute towards a more prosperous and developing society, again, makes no rational sense. Every societal problem you can think of has lack of truthfulness at its core. So, Payne, don't be truthful, because you can get away with it, but know that at least you are living a good life. It's sobering times indeed.....I'm off to educate neighbourhoods on what the man-made evolving laws have forgotten to educate them about. Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
|||||||||
kambiz Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts |
Quote:
On 2012-06-12 20:43, Steve_Mollett wrote: A God-less educational paradigm has the consequences outlined in my previous post Steve, look up and hopefully you will see my concerns .....and no jokes about my school bully putting my teeth under my pillow please ....lol Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
|||||||||
Steve_Mollett Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3006 Posts |
All codes of law are man-made, and societies/individuals have, throughout history, picked and chosen what suited them and their social fabric, like diners at a buffet.
Author of: GARROTE ESCAPES
The absurd is the essential concept and the first truth. - Albert Camus |
|||||||||
kambiz Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts |
Yes I agree with Steve, and that's the problem. While no one is watching I can screw anyone over that I like...
I don't like this new paradigm....let's try again Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
|||||||||
Steve_Mollett Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3006 Posts |
Quote:
On 2012-06-12 20:53, kambiz wrote: Your concerns are understandable though, to my mind, quaint. Since I dismiss the existence of divinities as human-born myth, I see a 'god-based educational paradigm' as philosophically unnecessary. I prefer the paradigm of humanity looking at the benefits/deficits of their laws rationally and amending them to promote the greatest benefit for the greatest number and the defense of all within the society those laws are written to serve. Ultimately, we are responsible for our own actions and our ability to interact in harmony--no gods/goddesses required.
Author of: GARROTE ESCAPES
The absurd is the essential concept and the first truth. - Albert Camus |
|||||||||
kambiz Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts |
Sounds good enough for me Steve, let's start something like that together.....
Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
|||||||||
kambiz Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts |
.....but tell me something, how are we going to monitor the concerns about truthfulness and its impact on society?
Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
|||||||||
LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Quote:
On 2012-06-12 21:01, kambiz wrote: Would you have dishonesty made a crime?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
|||||||||
Steve_Mollett Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3006 Posts |
Author of: GARROTE ESCAPES
The absurd is the essential concept and the first truth. - Albert Camus |
|||||||||
R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
Quote:
On 2012-06-12 20:36, kambiz wrote: Hold on Kam - to set the record straight, I was in grade 5 for 12 years... NOT 20!! Seriously though, that's a poor analogy. Use the Santa Claus analogy instead. Kids are taught to believe in Santa Claus from a young age. In fact, you might say they have no say in it. As kids, they simply accept and absorb as fact that which their parents (and society) instill in them. And guess what? They REALLY believe in Santa! But then, when they get older, they start thinking for themselves. They see inconsistencies (multiple Santa's in the same mall perhaps, or the problem of loading 1 billion presents into something the size of a station wagon). They put 2 and 2 together and then they simply stop believing. Atheists didn't become atheists because they "gave up." They became atheists because they PERSISTED in the pursuit of truth! A recent Pew Study showed that atheists as a whole are MORE knowledgeable about religion than believers - not less. Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
|
|||||||||
Steve_Mollett Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3006 Posts |
Quote:
On 2012-06-12 21:06, kambiz wrote: How do we manage it in a pluralistic society NOW? Life is not a utopia; it is what it is--and it demands compromise to survive.
Author of: GARROTE ESCAPES
The absurd is the essential concept and the first truth. - Albert Camus |
|||||||||
kambiz Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts |
Quote:
On 2012-06-12 21:06, LobowolfXXX wrote: Absolutely not..... tell you what, why don't we put God back then Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
|||||||||
mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Quote:
On 2012-06-12 20:36, kambiz wrote: It's not the striving of the giraffe that causes the species to adapt to a new environment. It's just that those genetic strains that are no longer sustainable simply die out. |
|||||||||
R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
Quote:
On 2012-06-12 21:12, mastermindreader wrote: Exactly. Ron :)
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
|
|||||||||
kambiz Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts |
Quote:
On 2012-06-12 21:08, Steve_Mollett wrote: I said it before and I'll say it again Steve, there is already a living example of how that will work for everyone to examine today Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
|||||||||
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » Not very magical, still... » » A TOUGH QUESTION TO ANSWER.. (0 Likes) | ||||||||||
Go to page [Previous] 1~2~3..6~7~8~9~10..22..33..44..55..64~65~66 [Next] |
[ Top of Page ] |
All content & postings Copyright © 2001-2024 Steve Brooks. All Rights Reserved. This page was created in 0.04 seconds requiring 5 database queries. |
The views and comments expressed on The Magic Café are not necessarily those of The Magic Café, Steve Brooks, or Steve Brooks Magic. > Privacy Statement < |