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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2012-06-14 01:52, mastermindreader wrote: I understand that. However those books were written for your entertainment not as a way to live your life. There is nothing confusing about your love for literature. What is confusing is your trying to prove that the bible is fiction, while many believe it is not. Why must you try and prove your errorenous point? My question is why are you so set on proving your point? What makes it so important to you to try and prove it is fiction? The reason I ask is because in your post you seem to put it in the same category as Stephen Kings and Shakesphere writings and I checked here on The Café and did not find you discussing any of there writings as you do the bible. Seems as if you put it in the category of fiction but are obsessed by the bible. Kind of a strange reaction over a book that you believes to be fiction. So again I am asking. Of all the books you have read and it seems that according to you it is many, why single out the bible? I am not pulling these questions out of the air as you are the one who put the bible in this category not me. If there are other books which you feel so strongly about I would be curious to know which ones they are that evoke such fervor in you to discuss them as you do the bible...for they must be very interesting and profound and thought provoking and would make for a very interesting thread here on The Café.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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Slide Special user 533 Posts |
Be happy to start a shakespeare thread. I just don't think anyone would post to it.
"and we do not beat our children when they show signs of being gay. We understand that being gay is a natural process. However, marriages under Catholicism are supposed to be formed for the sake of creation." First, yes you do: not you personally, but I'll be happy to send you link after link after link of preachers proposing this very thing. Very recently too. And so if a couple is infertile are they not allowed to marry? If they cannot create a child and need to adopt, that means they are not married in your eyes? Should we pass a law that states if you do not have children, your marriage is automatically null and void? Sorry, it is a specious argument |
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Slide Special user 533 Posts |
"What makes it so important to you to try and prove it is fiction?"
Because as a result of your belief people are killed, children are beaten, wars are fought, people are denied the pursuit of happiness. Because people believe it to be the word of god, The Westboro Baptist church protests at times of people's most sorrowful moments. They say God hates Fags because the bible tells them that. They pollute the earth because it is the end of days. Natural disasters are seen as god's punishment. Do I need to go on. Because people believe in the veracity of the bible, they make the earth a more dangerous, hateful, judgmental, place. |
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts |
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On 2012-06-14 01:24, The great Gumbini wrote: Then what are we to make of these prophecies? Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Christ proclaime that he will return before a generation passes. Clearly he was wrong. So by your own admission we must reject his status as a prophet
"America's Foremost Satirical Magician" -- Jeff McBride.
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Payne Inner circle Seattle 4571 Posts |
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On 2012-06-14 02:53, Bill Hilly wrote: Hang in their and know you've got friends here on the Café to call on in your time of need. I lost a great cat a few years ago. It's tough. but a new cat soon came into our lives a little while later. I'm sure that when the time comes a new cat will find you too.
"America's Foremost Satirical Magician" -- Jeff McBride.
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3162 Posts |
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On 2012-06-14 02:53, Bill Hilly wrote: Bill, I pray for you too. Your family is very blessed to have someone like you to care for them. God certainly provided for them when he put you on this earth. Hang in there my friend, you will be rewarded. Your time will come. I've lost several pets over my lifetime and I know it's never easy. They too become a big part of the family. While I've never tried to 'replace' a lost pet, I did find that a new one did help with the healing. I've never owned but one cat but I haven't forgot him. Got him when I was a child and he lived to be twenty years old. I thought that was some kind of world record for a cat. Later in life I got a cat for my young son. He carried the kitten around by the neck and it didn't take long for that poor cat to realize he was in the wrong place, so he went back home in a hurry. Never owned another cat, but I have raised a few house dogs over the years. Today we have a ****zu dog that's about five years old. I understand how pets do become family. Bill, stay strong and if you ever need help or just need somebody to talk too, you know where to find me. We all here for you if you need us. Tom
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Acesover-
Please cite the post in which I said the Bible was fiction. That may be difficult because I have repeatedly stated my opinion that it is a combination of history, folklore, poetry, allegory, metaphor etc. It is also one of the most widely read and influential books in history. It is, therefore, impossible to understand much of human history and thought without a knowledge of the Bible. Do I accept it unconditionally as literal truth? Obviously not. Is it important work? Obviously yes. So why wouldn't I want to discuss it? |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2012-06-14 10:45, Slide wrote: Why don't? I certainly would. I can't be the only former English major around here.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2012-06-14 10:50, Slide wrote: So are you saying that Christianity is a net minus for the planet?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2012-06-14 11:36, LobowolfXXX wrote: You're not. You knew I was an English major didn't you? (That's what forced me into law school - there were no teaching jobs to speak of available at the time and law school was the only option.) I'm still a bit baffled by acesover's confusion as to why I would be so interested in the Bible. When I was in college we studied the Bible as literature, myth and literature, psychology and literature as well as most of the classic works. How would it be remotely possible, for example, to begin to understand the works of James Joyce and other major writers without understanding bibilical and mythological allusions, etc.? |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
To say nothing of Milton.
"The Bible as Literature" was one of my undergrad electives. Interesting class.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2012-06-14 11:51, LobowolfXXX wrote: Or Dante. (Or Andrew Lloyd Webber, for that matter.) |
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
"Facts" and "truth" do not necessarily coincide. I think it would be possible for someone to assert that the Bible is not necessarily factual, but does communicate the truth.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2012-06-14 12:11, Woland wrote: Absolutely. The same can be said about most classic works. There is as much truth to be found in Shakespeare, et al, and the poets, as in any work of non-fiction. |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Maybe more, in Shakespeare.
Highly recommended reading - "Shakespeare: The Invention of The Human," by Harold Bloom.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2012-06-14 08:54, Pakar Ilusi wrote: You have this on good authority that Gandhi is eternally ****ed? Here I thougth that would be between God and Gandhi. You must have inside info. don't' let it get out that you have an inside contact or everyone will want to talk to you. Your mailbox will be full. shhhhh
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
Carrie Sue told me in NVMS that Gandhi went to Hell for being an unbeliever when I asked her. I think it was last year. Apparently, she's the one with the inside info.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Those who say he didn't go there apparently have some inside info, too.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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satellite23 Elite user 424 Posts |
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On 2012-06-14 10:45, Slide wrote: Well, I have never really heard of those stories. Thanks for giving me a different view. However, I do not believe that the Church--meaning the Vatican condones such behavior. Unjust violence is a big no-no of Catholicism, and that is an unjust cause. Quote:
On 2012-06-14 10:45, Slide wrote: That is also a very good point. Maybe I didn't word myself correctly--or maybe I just was ignorant on such a topic. Again, thanks for bringing it up. I cannot answer that question, but I think you might be able to find something in here: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM This entire thread has been VERY interesting to read and discuss. I have not meant to offend anybody, I just wanted to express my point of view. |
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Quite right.
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