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Woland![]() Special user 680 Posts ![]() |
Getting back to earthquakes for a moment, I was interested to see James Lovelock's interview in the Guardian.
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Three years ago, he received a heating bill for the winter totalling £6,000. His age means he has to have the heating on full in his poorly insulted home and, with his disabled son, Tom, living in a house next door, his outgoings on fuel rocketed. Damp winters on the edge of Dartmoor were taking their toll, so in recent years he has overwintered in St Louis, his wife's hometown in Missouri. The experience altered his attitude to the politics and economics of energy. Having already upset many environmentalists – for whom he is something of a guru – with his long-time support for nuclear power and his hatred of wind power (he has a picture of a wind turbine on the wall of his study to remind him how "ugly and useless they are"), he is now coming out in favour of "fracking", the controversial technique for extracting natural gas from the ground. He argues that, while not perfect, it produces far less CO2 than burning coal: "Gas is almost a give-away in the US at the moment. They've gone for fracking in a big way. Let's be pragmatic and sensible and get Britain to switch everything to methane. We should be going mad on it." Good to see that a man in his tenth decade can still think for himself and change his mind. |
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Jonathan Townsend![]() Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27113 Posts ![]() |
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On 2012-06-17 00:55, acesover wrote: As it happens that is not the case. The story of n-rays is a pretty good example of just how much that is not the case. The only thing that keeps "guesses" as "scientific" is that those guesses have been used to calculate and predict measurable things which would not be found unless those specific guesses were relevant to the shared world we live in ... and that those measurable things have then been experimentally verified. Science = best model of observable/measurable existence available at this time. You are welcome to call any statement you want your belief and to have faith in anything you imagine and your feelings will be valid and true for you.
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R.S.![]() Regular user CT one day I'll have 199 Posts ![]() |
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On 2012-06-16 20:11, The great Gumbini wrote: Simple logic dictates that you don't presuppose the answer to the question that you're asking. In this case the question being, who/what created the universe? You say, "But you see the believer starts with God." (And I'll add that they end there too, with no scientific testing of that hypothesis along the way). Why is it that that's the ONLY place that sort of logic is applied? When you hear a rattle in your car, do you take it to the mechanic and tell him to start by just replacing the entire engine? When you experience shortness of breath and slight chest pains after a rigourous workout, do you immediately go to the doctor and demand a heart transplant? Why are the rules of logic changed when it comes to the question of the origin of the universe? As Hitchens said, "That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence." "What is it about "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" that you find so hard to believe?" That is an unfalsifiable claim. "Let's say if you do not believe God exists today is it possible God existed long enough to create the heavens and the earth?" Sure. Of course, this is again an unfalsifiable claim. Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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R.S.![]() Regular user CT one day I'll have 199 Posts ![]() |
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On 2012-06-16 21:36, kambiz wrote: Kam my friend, This is nothing but a word salad. I was looking for a one word answer. Deist? ![]() Just curious, that's all. Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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Jonathan Townsend![]() Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27113 Posts ![]() |
What do the words "In the beginning..." do for the reader? What do they permit the reader to imagine and gain a sense of knowing about?
Have you considered that the words are not: "In your beginning I..." ?
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landmark![]() Inner circle within a triangle 5010 Posts ![]() |
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On 2012-06-17 09:30, Woland wrote: But CO2 and earthquakes are not the only issues with energy extraction; there are other big problems with fracking (Halliburton one of the major pioneers of the technique interestingly enough), not the least of which is contamination of the water table: Quote:
[M]ore than 1,000 other cases of contamination have been documented by courts and state and local governments in Colorado, New Mexico, Alabama, Ohio and Pennsylvania. In one case, a house exploded after hydraulic fracturing created underground passageways and methane seeped into the residential water supply. In other cases, the contamination occurred not from actual drilling below ground, but on the surface, where accidental spills and leaky tanks, trucks and waste pits allowed benzene and other chemicals to leach into streams, springs and water wells So it's kind of like saying that the stuff in Dr. Bob's tonic bottle is safe, even though the manufacturer refuses to say exactly what ingredients are in the bottle. I would view this push towards fracking with a lot more skepticism.
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acesover![]() Special user I believe I have 819 Posts ![]() |
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On 2012-06-17 09:32, Jonathan Townsend wrote: I agree with yor last statement if when you say you...you mean all inclusive including yourself. Then I agree. However if your you means only those who disagree with your way of thinking then I do not agree.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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acesover![]() Special user I believe I have 819 Posts ![]() |
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On 2012-06-17 01:31, mastermindreader wrote: Whoever wrote that quote was indeed very intelligent individual. However I would have a lot more respect for him if he ended it by saying: " However even with all that data it is still only a theory and until proof positive is obtained it will remain so". ![]() I have said before that I can go along with the BBT and a few post above I told you how I see it.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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Jonathan Townsend![]() Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27113 Posts ![]() |
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On 2012-06-17 10:38, acesover wrote:... a* - look at how far you are willing to go in order to distract yourself and others. You (anyone) get to believe as you please. What you ask others to believe about what you claim to believe is... So, how are you doing the the distinctions between statements about the inner world of how you feel and the outer world of what can be measured?
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kambiz![]() Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts ![]() |
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On 2012-06-17 10:12, R.S. wrote: Word salad because you didn't understand a component? If so, what parts can I clarify for you. Let there be no doubt, the relationship a Bahai has with the mysteries of the world and it's Unknowable Essence is unheard of in the history of the world. If I could put it into a modern-day recognized word, I would, but I genuinely cannot categorically fathom a description for a God. I struggle to fathom a description for Baha'u'llah but at least He presented me with a limited form, by which my petty, useless and limited mind could find some comfort, because really, for me, talking about anything unlimited and an Essence of the Essence of Essences is really fruitless...... Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
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acesover![]() Special user I believe I have 819 Posts ![]() |
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On 2012-06-17 11:02, Jonathan Townsend wrote: NO WHERE DO I ASK ANYONE TO BELIEVE ANYTHING. Quite the opposite I say and continue to say, believe what you want.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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mastermindreader![]() V.I.P. Seattle, WA 12589 Posts ![]() |
Acesover-
Once again I would point out that the word "theory" as used in science does NOT mean the same thing as when you say "It's only a theory." Reread the last sentence of the quote I provided: Quote:
Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge.[3] This is significantly different from the word “theory” in common usage, which implies that something is unproven or speculative.[5] See also, from the American Association for the Advancement of Science: Quote:
A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world. http://www.aaas.org/news/press_room/evolution/qanda.shtml |
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LobowolfXXX![]() Inner circle La Famiglia 1191 Posts ![]() |
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On 2012-06-17 11:14, kambiz wrote: How about "monotheism"?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Steve_Mollett![]() Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3010 Posts ![]() |
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The absurd is the essential concept and the first truth. - Albert Camus |
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kambiz![]() Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts ![]() |
Hahahahaha........thanks Steve, whatever floats your boat
![]() Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
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kambiz![]() Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts ![]() |
To external eyes looking in Lobo, the Bahai Faith is a monotheistic religion, however, there are so many other elements which add richness and depth to ones understanding of creation, which take it into deistic, agnostic and polytheistic elements, as well as other areas which cannot be summarized with one word....
.....but either way, if you can't be bothered, then Steve has it all worked out for you on the religions behalf lol Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
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LobowolfXXX![]() Inner circle La Famiglia 1191 Posts ![]() |
Bahá'u'lláh taught that there is one God whose successive revelations of His will to humanity have been the chief civilizing force in history."
From Bahai.org. Is that not an authoritative website regarding Baha'i teachings? "one God" is a pretty good working definition of monotheism,
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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kambiz![]() Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts ![]() |
Not exactly......it depends on the way one views the descriptions detailed in the Writings in the nature of the minor and major Prophets in religious history.
Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
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kambiz![]() Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts ![]() |
Hey, I just answered a question you now deleted!!
Hahahaha Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
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Jonathan Townsend![]() Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27113 Posts ![]() |
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On 2012-06-17 03:33, Bill Hilly wrote: ? No idea how much matter there is but that's one of the possibilities. Since that idea made it to popular culture there've been some significant observations which suggest there is something acting which has a net effect of making galaxies appear to accelerate away from each other. Also there's a great deal of missing matter/energy predicted by the standard model so it's an exciting time for physics in the large (and small) while folks look for more details.
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