On 2012-06-20 16:46, Slide wrote:
"You believe in human creativity? What exactly is that? I honestly do not know. "

Human creativity: the power of the human mind to create works of art, exand knowledge, investigate the world, imagination. Nearly everything you see around you is the result of human creativity.

On 2012-06-20 16:44, Slide wrote:
"However none of these attributes make me want to bow down to what he believes"

The good thing is scholorship doesn't require you bow down. Look at the evidence and decide. The fact that you won't even listen to what he says, says a lot

On 2012-06-20 16:46, Slide wrote:
"You believe in human creativity? What exactly is that? I honestly do not know. "

Human creativity: the power of the human mind to create works of art, exand knowledge, investigate the world, imagination. Nearly everything you see around you is the result of human creativity.

On 2012-06-20 17:35, mastermindreader wrote:
Let's try the show of hands again. Anybody change their minds yet?

On 2012-06-20 17:18, Slide wrote:
I have to tell you aces and Lobo

When I listen to you guys, to me it is like listening to someone who believes they were abducted by aliens.

On 2012-06-20 12:06, kambiz wrote:
Eric, can you provide a quote from the Quran where Muhammad talks against Jesus?

Kam

On 2012-06-19 22:05, The great Gumbini wrote:
Ron,

I'll tell you what pick the one you think is the biggest "error" or contradiction and I'll help clear it up ok? These are very old points that have been reviewed before. Example the light and the darkness and the sun and moon are two different events. Actually if you read the Scriptures you will find the moon was for light at night (Gen 1;16). These do appear (appear) to be contradictions on the surface however you will find upon closer study most go hand in hand to show a complete view. Also realize if these were truly honest contradictions then the arguments you all have made would be valid ones and in fact I for one would never have believed that the Bible was without error or contradictions for this long. One the surface they do appear to contradict but you will find they do not. Some are easier to explain and some will take a little understanding of times and customs but all can be explained. This is nothing new in fact I'm surprised someone hasn't used at least part of this list up until now. I normally have people by now say things like "Well if you believe the Bible has no contradictions what about..." and then one of these will be brought up. You did a very nice job finding a nice list we can all have fun with. So let me know if you have a favorite and we will start with that ok?


Good magic to all,


Eric

On 2012-06-20 17:35, mastermindreader wrote:
Let's try the show of hands again. Anybody change their minds yet?

On 2012-06-19 22:05, The great Gumbini wrote:
Ron,

I'll tell you what pick the one you think is the biggest "error" or contradiction and I'll help clear it up ok? These are very old points that have been reviewed before. Example the light and the darkness and the sun and moon are two different events. Actually if you read the Scriptures you will find the moon was for light at night (Gen 1;16). These do appear (appear) to be contradictions on the surface however you will find upon closer study most go hand in hand to show a complete view. Also realize if these were truly honest contradictions then the arguments you all have made would be valid ones and in fact I for one would never have believed that the Bible was without error or contradictions for this long. One the surface they do appear to contradict but you will find they do not. Some are easier to explain and some will take a little understanding of times and customs but all can be explained. This is nothing new in fact I'm surprised someone hasn't used at least part of this list up until now. I normally have people by now say things like "Well if you believe the Bible has no contradictions what about..." and then one of these will be brought up. You did a very nice job finding a nice list we can all have fun with. So let me know if you have a favorite and we will start with that ok?


Good magic to all,


Eric

On 2012-06-20 15:51, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
Kam, you do know that the Muslim Clerics (Sunni and Syiah) regard your Bahai Faith as Apostasy right?

That Bahaullah's claims to Prophethood (or whatever) is regarded as false right?

If you still take from the teachings of Islam (the Quran and Hadith), what do you say to the one billion Muslim Ummah who say you of the Bahai Faith are apostates?

On 2012-06-19 23:35, kambiz wrote:
Really, the arguments here are laughable considering no-one on this thread has read any of the Bahai Writings which explains clearly and rationally all the challenges being laid down by theists and atheists alike in this thread....

......but you guys keep going ahead....

This is fun!!

Kam

On 2012-06-20 19:26, Slide wrote:
To me the most interesting thing about studying Christianity, especially early christianity. is the difference between the early christians and this very recent obsession with the bible. In the early days, the written word, i.e. the bible was not a big part of the christian method. It was mediation, prayer - a true looking within to find the answers yourself. This is the genius of the early Desert Fathers and the mystics such as St John of the Cross. Reading the Dark Night of the Soul, you really saw spirituality at its most passionate and intense.

It was only much much later that the written word in the christian religion began to dominate and when that happened, as far as I'm concerned, that was the end of christianity as the early christians would recognize it and it became so corrupted as to be a shell of the intensity of the original religion. Today, christianity is so watered down and corrupt to be really empty and souless as a religion. and the people today (and this is why I argue with you Aces) - you are missing the true great joy and revelation and spiritual awakening that the Christian religion used to engender. You have basically missed what christianity was really all about. And That I find incredibly sad.

On 2012-06-20 00:15, Jeff the Unamazing Hack wrote:

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On 2012-06-20 00:03, acesover wrote:
As Rodney once said, Why can't we all just get along?.

Come on boys and girls believe what you want and let everyone else alone. Does anyone see a problem with that?

No one here is going to convince one to change their religious beliefs nor are they going to change the mind of an atheist. So I say as that smarter than we realize great card player often says, "believe what you want". And as I say. Please don't try and force your beliefs on me. I am quite content with my religious beliefs and my relationsip with God.

Wouldn't that be a nice thing? If only religious folks just worshipped their faith in their own way and not make laws that impose their beliefs on everyone, we wouldn't be having this discussion. I understand that most people worship in their own way without dragging unwilling people into their beliefs, but if you want "everyone to get along", I suggest you contact your politicians and tell them to practice their faith without forcing it on the minority who don't share their beliefs. I'm not evem talking about people who knock on my door in the morning to tell me I have "good news". I'm talking about those who decide to set science back decades because thier faith tells them that stem cells that would otherwise be discarded are better off going in the trash than help people who are actually living improve their quality of life.

We won't complain about your beliefs if you don't shove it down the throats of those who choose to believe otherwise. I don't knock on people doors on a Saturday morning to tell them there's no good news.

On 2012-06-20 19:37, Steve_Mollett wrote:

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On 2012-06-19 23:35, kambiz wrote:
Really, the arguments here are laughable considering no-one on this thread has read any of the Bahai Writings which explains clearly and rationally all the challenges being laid down by theists and atheists alike in this thread....

......but you guys keep going ahead....

This is fun!!

Kam

Sorry, but your credibility left the building with Elvis long ago.

On 2012-06-20 19:41, kambiz wrote:

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On 2012-06-20 19:37, Steve_Mollett wrote:

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On 2012-06-19 23:35, kambiz wrote:
Really, the arguments here are laughable considering no-one on this thread has read any of the Bahai Writings which explains clearly and rationally all the challenges being laid down by theists and atheists alike in this thread....

......but you guys keep going ahead....

This is fun!!

Kam

Sorry, but your credibility left the building with Elvis long ago.

Steady Steve S.T.E.A.D.Y

Hey, why so cruel????

Kam

On 2012-06-20 03:34, LobowolfXXX wrote:
Metaphysics is still out there, as science doesn't answer moral questions. And if you're looking for someone to advance the case for psychics, you've come to the wrong place. Well, actually, you've come to the right place, but I'm not the right person.

I just wonder how many "scientific facts" that you're so sure of today will be scoffed at and dismissed in the next century or two.