On 2012-06-20 03:34, LobowolfXXX wrote:
Metaphysics is still out there, as science doesn't answer moral questions. And if you're looking for someone to advance the case for psychics, you've come to the wrong place. Well, actually, you've come to the right place, but I'm not the right person.

I just wonder how many "scientific facts" that you're so sure of today will be scoffed at and dismissed in the next century or two.

On 2012-06-21 21:55, TomBoleware wrote:
How you answer before I ask. LOL

On 2012-06-21 21:14, TomBoleware wrote:
Payne,

Where do you get this, "god(s)'" from. There is only One God for me.
I understand some do worship God in a different way, but I can't speak for them.

Kind of like you talking out of both sides of your mouth when you say, god's.

You don't 'know' God and then turn around and say, oh there is no God. That doesn't even make sense.
You either believe there is a God or you don't. You don't 'know' for sure and then all of a sudden not know.

On 2012-06-21 22:57, mastermindreader wrote:
No one is born an atheist, either, I think the default position would be agnostic. (Inasmuch as a newborn doesn't really have an opinion on the issue.)

You don't know for sure that there is one either. Your belief in there being one is just as Strong ans my belief there is no such thing. Neither of us can "prove" our position. But we believe it just the same. Fortunately since I am not the one making the extraordinary claim I don't have to prove my position. After all atheism is the default position. No one is born with a belief in god(s). They have to be indoctrinated.

On 2012-06-21 19:04, acesover wrote:

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On 2012-06-21 17:53, mastermindreader wrote:
So what day of the week was Last Supper on, how many angels were at Jesus' tomb, how many women came to the tomb, where did they go directly after, and to whom, if anyone, did they tell what they had witnessed?

BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT.

On 2012-06-21 23:07, Dreadnought wrote:

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You don't know for sure that there is one either. Your belief in there being one is just as Strong ans my belief there is no such thing. Neither of us can "prove" our position. But we believe it just the same. Fortunately since I am not the one making the extraordinary claim I don't have to prove my position. After all atheism is the default position. No one is born with a belief in god(s). They have to be indoctrinated.

Theists, especially, those of the Abrahamic faiths are sure, as it is called faith. From a theological standpoint, atheism is not the default position as everyone is born with a conscience and, more importantly, a soul which is always trying to reconnect with it's Creator in spite of misdirected desires and influences.

Peace and Godspeed.

On 2012-06-21 22:54, Payne wrote:

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On 2012-06-21 21:14, TomBoleware wrote:
Payne,

Where do you get this, "god(s)'" from. There is only One God for me.
I understand some do worship God in a different way, but I can't speak for them.

Kind of like you talking out of both sides of your mouth when you say, god's.

Just trying to be all inclusive. god(s) is my way of saying that there have been thousands of god(s) worshiped by multitudes of people over the ages. So what makes one of them the correct one and all the other wrong?

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You don't 'know' God and then turn around and say, oh there is no God. That doesn't even make sense.
You either believe there is a God or you don't. You don't 'know' for sure and then all of a sudden not know.

You don't know for sure that there is one either. Your belief in there being one is just as Strong ans my belief there is no such thing. Neither of us can "prove" our position. But we believe it just the same. Fortunately since I am not the one making the extraordinary claim I don't have to prove my position. After all atheism is the default position. No one is born with a belief in god(s). They have to be indoctrinated.

On 2012-06-21 23:51, Jeff the Unamazing Hack wrote:

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On 2012-06-21 19:04, acesover wrote:

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On 2012-06-21 17:53, mastermindreader wrote:
So what day of the week was Last Supper on, how many angels were at Jesus' tomb, how many women came to the tomb, where did they go directly after, and to whom, if anyone, did they tell what they had witnessed?

BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT.

BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT? Are you atheist/agnostic, or do believe in a non-Christian book? (I'm asking because I honestly don't know for sure what your faith is or isn't.)

1 Peter 3:15 (KJV) says: "But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear"

Saying "Believe what you want" is not what the Christian Bible asks of you. That particular verse was the beginning of the end of my religious beliefs. I tried to find answers to defend my faith, but the more I read, the more it bacame impossible to give answers to legitimate questions about my faith. At least I tried though. I tried for years.

If a "believer" ever responds to questions about the Bible with a remark like "Believe what you want", they have either given up on their beliefs or well on their way.

On 2012-06-21 23:51, Jeff the Unamazing Hack wrote:

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On 2012-06-21 19:04, acesover wrote:

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On 2012-06-21 17:53, mastermindreader wrote:
So what day of the week was Last Supper on, how many angels were at Jesus' tomb, how many women came to the tomb, where did they go directly after, and to whom, if anyone, did they tell what they had witnessed?

BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT.

BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT? Are you atheist/agnostic, or do believe in a non-Christian book? (I'm asking because I honestly don't know for sure what your faith is or isn't.)

1 Peter 3:15 (KJV) says: "But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear"

Saying "Believe what you want" is not what the Christian Bible asks of you. That particular verse was the beginning of the end of my religious beliefs. I tried to find answers to defend my faith, but the more I read, the more it bacame impossible to give answers to legitimate questions about my faith. At least I tried though. I tried for years.

If a "believer" ever responds to questions about the Bible with a remark like "Believe what you want", they have either given up on their beliefs or well on their way.

On 2012-06-21 23:51, Jeff the Unamazing Hack wrote:

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On 2012-06-21 19:04, acesover wrote:

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On 2012-06-21 17:53, mastermindreader wrote:
So what day of the week was Last Supper on, how many angels were at Jesus' tomb, how many women came to the tomb, where did they go directly after, and to whom, if anyone, did they tell what they had witnessed?

BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT.

BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT? Are you atheist/agnostic, or do believe in a non-Christian book? (I'm asking because I honestly don't know for sure what your faith is or isn't.)

1 Peter 3:15 (KJV) says: "But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear"

Saying "Believe what you want" is not what the Christian Bible asks of you. That particular verse was the beginning of the end of my religious beliefs. I tried to find answers to defend my faith, but the more I read, the more it bacame impossible to give answers to legitimate questions about my faith. At least I tried though. I tried for years.

If a "believer" ever responds to questions about the Bible with a remark like "Believe what you want", they have either given up on their beliefs or well on their way.

On 2012-06-22 00:03, acesover wrote:

I am sure you mean informed.

On 2012-06-21 23:07, Dreadnought wrote:

Theists, especially, those of the Abrahamic faiths are sure, as it is called faith.

From a theological standpoint, atheism is not the default position as everyone is born with a conscience

and, more importantly, a soul which is always trying to reconnect with it's Creator in spite of misdirected desires and influences.

On 2012-06-21 22:57, mastermindreader wrote:
No one is born an atheist, either, I think the default position would be agnostic. (Inasmuch as a newborn doesn't really have an opinion on the issue.)

On 2012-06-22 00:08, acesover wrote:

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On 2012-06-21 23:51, Jeff the Unamazing Hack wrote:

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On 2012-06-21 19:04, acesover wrote:

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On 2012-06-21 17:53, mastermindreader wrote:
So what day of the week was Last Supper on, how many angels were at Jesus' tomb, how many women came to the tomb, where did they go directly after, and to whom, if anyone, did they tell what they had witnessed?

BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT.

BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT? Are you atheist/agnostic, or do believe in a non-Christian book? (I'm asking because I honestly don't know for sure what your faith is or isn't.)

1 Peter 3:15 (KJV) says: "But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear"

Saying "Believe what you want" is not what the Christian Bible asks of you. That particular verse was the beginning of the end of my religious beliefs. I tried to find answers to defend my faith, but the more I read, the more it bacame impossible to give answers to legitimate questions about my faith. At least I tried though. I tried for years.

If a "believer" ever responds to questions about the Bible with a remark like "Believe what you want", they have either given up on their beliefs or well on their way.

I really have to say that the last line in your post is one of the most off the wall assumptions I have ever heard. I am a devout catholic and if you have been following this thread at all you would know that.

However I am not a missionary. That is not my calling. If you really think you can change someones mind on a thread on a fourm go right ahead. Knock yourself out. But I will stick to my saying.

BELIEVE WHAT YoU WANT.