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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts |
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On 2012-06-25 11:13, LobowolfXXX wrote: And torture them forever after?
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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Dreadnought Special user Athens, Georgia 836 Posts |
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On 2012-06-25 00:34, kambiz wrote: You have to understand Christology and Trinitarian Theology. Jesus is God incarnate, God made man. He is not a human person but a divine person with a human nature as well as a divine nature. He is one person (divine) with two natures (divine and human). Here, he is assenting His humanity. That by His human nature He is not equal with God but subservient to Him. In terms of Trinitarian Theology, each person of the Trinity is equal, each member of the Holy Trinity have a specific mission. By nature of this mission, Jesus, the second person of the Trinity fulfills His mission which is specifically assigned to Him. In regards to this mission, He is subservient to God the Father by the fact that the Father's mission relies on the mission of the Son and the Holy Spirit, just as the mission of each person of the Holy Trinity relies on the other. Peace and Godspeed.
Peace
"Ave Maria gratia plena Dominus tecum..." Scott Would you do anything for the person you love? |
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Dreadnought Special user Athens, Georgia 836 Posts |
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On 2012-06-25 11:13, LobowolfXXX wrote: "...On earth as it is in heaven." [Matthew 6:10] The same reason a husband wife choose to create life. Love. Love has to be freely given. You cannot hold a person hostage, bound in a cellar and demand their love. You can love a person, the other person has the right to accept or reject that love. If they reject it then there is nothing you can do about it. Peace and Godspeed.
Peace
"Ave Maria gratia plena Dominus tecum..." Scott Would you do anything for the person you love? |
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Dreadnought Special user Athens, Georgia 836 Posts |
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On 2012-06-25 11:15, Pakar Ilusi wrote: Again, the individual chooses separation. They are given what they ask for, God does not delight in the separation. "Because God did not make death, nor does he rejoice in the destruction of the living." Wisdom 1:13 Peace and Godspeed.
Peace
"Ave Maria gratia plena Dominus tecum..." Scott Would you do anything for the person you love? |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
For each of the seven billion people on the planet, there are a billion more who could have been created, but weren't. The husband and wife take whatever baby they're given. But God could have created any of the "potential people" He thought of. He could have populated the earth with 7 billion believers and loved them just as much as he loves those who are here now.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts |
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On 2012-06-25 11:30, Dreadnought wrote: If they reject it, you wouldn't punish them either.
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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Dreadnought Special user Athens, Georgia 836 Posts |
He could have, but where is the freedom? Where would God be seen? In fact, if He did what you say, it would be a loveless creation.
Peace and Godspeed.
Peace
"Ave Maria gratia plena Dominus tecum..." Scott Would you do anything for the person you love? |
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Dreadnought Special user Athens, Georgia 836 Posts |
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On 2012-06-25 11:43, Pakar Ilusi wrote: Why? Assuming that he is doing the punishing. Peace and Godspeed.
Peace
"Ave Maria gratia plena Dominus tecum..." Scott Would you do anything for the person you love? |
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts |
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On 2012-06-25 11:49, Dreadnought wrote: I see...
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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kambiz Inner circle Perth, down by the cool of the pool 1129 Posts |
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On 2012-06-25 11:38, LobowolfXXX wrote: Yes He "could have" Lobo, but the reality is He didn't. The wisdom is in the beauty of diversity, and what is learnt from it.... Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break. .....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay! |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
You don't need *total* diversity for beauty.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On 2012-06-25 11:05, Dreadnought wrote: Free will only comes into play when choice is involved. And choice hinges on a conscious belief that you actually have things to choose from. If there is nothing to choose FROM, then no choice can take place. Hence, free will would be irrelevant. Using quotes from the bible to prove your points about bible claims does nothing to strengthen your argument. "Do you think that you maybe wrong?" Wrong about what?? I have never made any knowledge claims about gods, Heaven, or Hell. Now, I do (and already have) acknowledge(d) that those things MAY exist. I don't believe that they do, but they may. But in my opinion, the likelihood is the same as Zeus or Isis or a One-Eyed Spaghetti Monster or Leprechauns existing. Do you think that YOU may be wrong? Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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Dreadnought Special user Athens, Georgia 836 Posts |
Biblical quotes do a lot to strengthen my argument. You just choose not to accept them, again free will.
And it is a simple yes or no question, Do you think you may be wrong, AGAIN the existence of God, Heaven and Hell. As for me, might I be wrong. Yes. Now, your turn, just answer the question, Yes or no. Peace and Godspeed.
Peace
"Ave Maria gratia plena Dominus tecum..." Scott Would you do anything for the person you love? |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Ron-
Please don't include Leprechauns in this discussion. As has been conclusively demonstrated on the Leprechaun thread, they DO exist. As to God - as I've said, I believe his Creation is proof of his existence. Beyond that I don't know for sure. So I just do the best I can. (And I DO find the teachings of Jesus most worthy of following even though I have never jumped to the conclusion of accepting all Scripture as literal.) |
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Dreadnought Special user Athens, Georgia 836 Posts |
All scripture is most definitely NOT to be taken literally.
Peace and Godspeed.
Peace
"Ave Maria gratia plena Dominus tecum..." Scott Would you do anything for the person you love? |
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On 2012-06-25 18:39, Dreadnought wrote: Biblical quotes do absolutely nothing to strengthen your arguments about biblical claims. Unless we must believe that the bible is true simply because the bible says so. Now you're just messing with me, right? I clearly stated that although those things MAY exist, I don't believe that they do. I never made any claims of absolute knowledge. Can some things that I believe (or don't believe) turn out to be incorrect? Yes, absolutely. That should have been apparent from my previous post(s). Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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Dreadnought Special user Athens, Georgia 836 Posts |
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On 2012-06-25 19:02, R.S. wrote: Now, if I was messing with you, I'd cold read you, or hot read you. Hot reads are more fun. Peace and Godspeed.
Peace
"Ave Maria gratia plena Dominus tecum..." Scott Would you do anything for the person you love? |
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
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On 2012-06-25 18:52, mastermindreader wrote: Mr. Leprecassidy, Leprechaun belief will only lead to cereal wars and discrimination towards short people. Come to your senses, I say!!! Ron :)
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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Steve_Mollett Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3006 Posts |
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On 2012-06-24 18:43, The great Gumbini wrote: Not "easy"...SIMPLISTIC is the word you want; an exercise in circular logic beginning and ending with an ancient book. My apologies for even asking. "The late Mr. Hart." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZJEhlIefxA
Author of: GARROTE ESCAPES
The absurd is the essential concept and the first truth. - Albert Camus |
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Steve_Mollett Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3006 Posts |
Robert Ringer once noted (paraphrased):
It's your own fault if you choose to sit in a cage while a neurotic throws in peanuts and chants, "Two plus two equals six--two plus two equals six!" I'm done with this thread, guys. Buh-bye.
Author of: GARROTE ESCAPES
The absurd is the essential concept and the first truth. - Albert Camus |
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