Hi guys,
Previously I've said some pretty scathing things about this guy. I was wondering however if anyone could lay some foundations for his claim about being an ex-card cheat. Anyway, personally I don't think his moves would fly, but then again I'm still learning the moves and how they used to/still are applied in low level games.

Pardon my extreme ignorance, but who is Daniel Madison and what is his claim to fame (or infamy)?

He must have been a cheat when he was 9 and retired when he was 10...

He is a magician who is lecturing at EMC and has written a couple of books attempting to promote the fact he was an old cheat

And...???

And there may be a couple of people on the forum who are able to verify if he ever actually moved in real games. From what he has written it just seems unlikely.

http://www.danielmadison.co.uk/HTCAC.html

Here is a link about his book on cheating at cards.

"Daniel Madison as a reformed card cheat?"


I just wonder why you ask this question.....

I pose the question because it seems that in the gambling spot we critique people like Forte, and when a book comes out on cheating such as John Born's cheating at Hold'em it seems the common practice to discuss credentials etc. I think his claims seem greatly exaggerated, which I understand is necessary for people to sell products. Anyway it was a throw away topic just seeing what peoples views where.

Is there anything in the book that is new, interesting or useful? I don't really care who wrote it.

For a while, his ad copy relied on having got into trouble when caught cheating at cards.

Firstly, that's a terrible recommendation for a teacher of gambling sleights.

Secondly, it's meaningless. My grandfather threw a bloke through a plate glass window for cheating in a "friendly" game. Ah, those were the days.

Well, on his Facebook page he says he's born in December, 28th, 1979. In 1998, the year "he almost lost his life because cheating at cards" he was then hardly 18 years old. I don't clearly see in what kind of Gambling place he could have been accepted by that time, with 18 years of age!

Now, just take a look at the table of contents of his book: The Greek deal, the Centre Deal... Yeah, sure. Oh, there's more: The Swing Cut and even a Covered Table Pass! Why he didn't add the Punch Deal is a mystery to me. Let's be serious, will you?

Have you ever read his "Blood marking system"? Doesn't even pass the basic and worldwide used riffle test!

Not a word about stacking. Nothing about collusion, signalling...

As I wish success to everyone, I wish him good luck with his book. And there are surely battalions of XCM fans from Theory11 and other places like that ready to buy it.

Daniel is a magician, and magicians have to create a personnage for their show. It's just what he does in my opinion...

You can't explain how to cheat at card by just learning sleight of hand and some marking system.

The world of cheating, hustling is more than sleight of hand.

Read Steve Forte books and some post in the gambling spot and you will learn much more....

I’m actually rendered speechless. Based upon his appearance, he looks like he is a homeless guy to me. Maybe he did a little cheating of other homeless people for pennies, but a retired cheat? I guess if you try to cheat one time and get caught, you can claim you are a retired cheat.

The way he handles cards tells me he is actually a magician/demonstrator. If he shaved, cleaned up his appearance and covered the tattoos with a long sleeve shirt, he might be able to bus tables in the games I have played in.

He is charging forty pounds for his book which is about sixty-five dollars US and and it is just a rehash of existing material that has been exposed ad nauseum.

Seems to me he is just another magician type claiming to be an ex-cheat to sell his book, bolster his “cheating knowledge” reputation and make a few bucks along the way.

Silliness.

Personally I think learned some slight of hand out of magic books and thought why not try and cheat. So he did and got roughed up a bit for doing it and now he bills himself as a retired cheat.

Also look at AMcD post its very ture no cheat in the world would use his blood marking system or swing cut hahaha center deal cmon no way this man is a real cheat.

But I will say he is no slob with cards he handles them well and like cag said he handles them like a magician, around the gambling spot we spit magician like it is the worst insult possible, they use their slights to entertain not steal. Im not saying I am one but I'm saying I can respect their persuit

David

By saying he handles cards like a magician is not in any way to denigrate or "spit" on magicians. It was simply to make a distinction between the way magicians handle cards and the way a hustler would handle them in play, so we could label this fellow as a magician and not an effective card cheat.

Don't take it the wrong way guys. Got to develop a thicker skin here on the BB.

I think just to be clear, I called BS in the first post. I've read both casino game protection, poker protection and watches the GPS series countless times. I'm working through Tony Giorgio's work on hand mucking abd also reading Snyder and Wong's work on blackjack. The reason I posted the question is really because I thought the book hadn't had the gambling spot treatment. I'm not a hustler, nor will I be. However I do have a keen interest in gambling scams and have for the past 5 years.

Be careful about card counting....read the latest material and more importantly....watch out for how the casinos shuffle, their rules regarding splits, double down, etc.

When I used to count cards in the very late 1970s and 80s, the casinos were not that smart and they even offered surrender and early surrender options

Blackjack is very different today and even though you can get an edge...the question is whether the small edge you get today is worth the time and effort counting.

I wish I could turn the clock back 30+ years....for more than one reason

I am yet to here from anyone here who can't beat the dealer or looses at aything.