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We're lacking in feminist literature. Mary Wortley Montagu should probably get a mention somewhere... She didn't write a book per se, but no doubt her travel essays have been compiled into numerous anthologies.
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On 2012-06-27 02:06, LobowolfXXX wrote:
The Bell Curve, by Herrnstein & Murray.

That was my third choice Lobo!

Also Stone, I wanted to replace Newton with Galileo.
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On 2012-06-26 14:02, balducci wrote:
Don't confuse condemnation of the book with condemnation of extremists / terrorists who use it to justify their actions.

The book is not condemned by governments, as it has many / mostly peaceful followers.

OTOH the extremists / terrorists certainly have been condemned, by many governments.

BTW, the above applies to many religious texts.


Sure, but my point is that the book itself is dangerous. The point of this thread imho...

Read it if you don't believe me.

And it is the "mostly peaceful" followers who are the ones who will kill you if you burn the book.

The "not so peaceful" ones don't even need you to do anything but disbelief.

Really. Smile
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On 2012-06-27 04:58, Vincero wrote:
We're lacking in feminist literature.


But how much of feminist literature has created social upheaval? Of course, within academic circles a book like Judith Butler's Gender Trouble has certainly created a sort of intellectual upheaval. But I'm skeptical regarding the breadth or width of it's social impact.
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On 2012-06-27 03:26, foolsnobody wrote:
How did Roth and Stone get onto a list like this? Sound opening bids and five card majors on a list with Freud, Marx, Mao, Darwin?

Two words: Forcing Notrump.
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Well, if Principia Mathematica belongs on the list, then, certainly, Kurt Gödel's Über formal unentscheidbare Sätze der "Principia Mathematica" und verwandter Systeme (On Formally Undecidable Propositions of "Principia Mathematica" and Related Systems) does as well. Thus:

1. Darwin, Origin of Species
2. Kant, Critique of Pure Reason
3. Paine, Age of Reason
4. Anon, Anarchist Cook Book
5. Hitler, Mein Kampf
6. The Prophet, Quran
7. LaVey, Satanic Bible
8. Et.al., Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders
9. Marx/Engels, Communist Manifesto
10. Freud, Interpretation of Dreams
11. Rand, Atlas Shrugged
12. Stowe, Uncle Tom's Cabin
13. Newton, Principia Mathematica
14. Roth/Stone, Bridge is a Partnership Game
15. Marx, Capital
16. Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird
17. Mao, Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-Tung
18. Hernstein/Murray, Bell Curve
19. Gödel, Über formal unentscheidbare Sätze der "Principia Mathematica" und verwandter Systeme
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In keeping with the recent above:

A Vindication of The Rights of Women - Wolstonecraft
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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"Dreams from my Father."
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1. Darwin, Origin of Species
2. Kant, Critique of Pure Reason
3. Paine, Age of Reason
4. Anon, Anarchist Cook Book
5. Hitler, Mein Kampf
6. The Prophet, Quran
7. LaVey, Satanic Bible
8. Et.al., Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders
9. Marx/Engels, Communist Manifesto
10. Freud, Interpretation of Dreams
11. Rand, Atlas Shrugged
12. Stowe, Uncle Tom's Cabin
13. Newton, Principia Mathematica
14. Roth/Stone, Bridge is a Partnership Game
15. Marx, Capital
16. Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird
17. Mao, Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-Tung
18. Hernstein/Murray, Bell Curve
19. Gödel, Über formal unentscheidbare Sätze der "Principia Mathematica" und verwandter Systeme
20. Wellenstone, Vindication of the Rights of Women
21. Obama, "Dreams from my Father."

OK, that last one seems intended to provoke.

Also, Landmark, you can replace it yourself. Anyone can cut and paste and modify the list. That's my final version of the game. Let anyone modify the list, Wikipedia style.

I still think we should reduce it to ten, though, because I was trying to mimic the "10 most dangerous books" list by producing a list of truly dangerous books.
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On 2012-06-27 07:43, stoneunhinged wrote:
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On 2012-06-27 04:58, Vincero wrote:
We're lacking in feminist literature.


But how much of feminist literature has created social upheaval? Of course, within academic circles a book like Judith Butler's Gender Trouble has certainly created a sort of intellectual upheaval. But I'm skeptical regarding the breadth or width of it's social impact.

The far milder The Feminine Mystique by Betty Friedan was arguably much more influential in terms of social impact.
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1. Darwin, Origin of Species
2. Kant, Critique of Pure Reason
3. Paine, Age of Reason
4. Anon, Anarchist Cook Book
5. Hitler, Mein Kampf
6. The Prophet, Quran
7. LaVey, Satanic Bible
8. Et.al., Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders
9. Marx/Engels, Communist Manifesto
10. Freud, Interpretation of Dreams
11. Rand, Atlas Shrugged
12. Stowe, Uncle Tom's Cabin
13. Newton, Principia Mathematica
14. Roth/Stone, Bridge is a Partnership Game
15. Marx, Capital
16. Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird
17. Mao, Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-Tung
18. Hernstein/Murray, Bell Curve
19. Gödel, Über formal unentscheidbare Sätze der "Principia Mathematica" und verwandter Systeme
20. Wollstonecraft, Vindication of the Rights of Women
21. Obama, Dreams from my Father

I think that Mary Wollstonecraft (not Wolstonecraft, and not Wellenstone) deserves to have her name spelled correctly.

;)
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Smile My bad.
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On 2012-06-27 11:04, S2000magician wrote:
1. Darwin, Origin of Species
2. Kant, Critique of Pure Reason
3. Paine, Age of Reason
4. Anon, Anarchist Cook Book
5. Hitler, Mein Kampf
6. The Prophet, Quran
7. LaVey, Satanic Bible
8. Et.al., Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders
9. Marx/Engels, Communist Manifesto
10. Freud, Interpretation of Dreams
11. Rand, Atlas Shrugged
12. Stowe, Uncle Tom's Cabin
13. Newton, Principia Mathematica
14. Roth/Stone, Bridge is a Partnership Game
15. Marx, Capital
16. Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird
17. Mao, Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-Tung
18. Hernstein/Murray, Bell Curve
19. G�del, �ber formal unentscheidbare S�tze der "Principia Mathematica" und verwandter Systeme
20. Wollstonecraft, Vindication of the Rights of Women
21. Obama, Dreams from my Father

I think that Mary Wollstonecraft (not Wolstonecraft, and not Wellenstone) deserves to have her name spelled correctly.

;)


And Muhammad please, not "The Prophet". Smile
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On 2012-06-27 11:09, stoneunhinged wrote:
;) My bad.

Duh.

(And Lobo's as well.)

;)
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1. Darwin, Origin of Species
2. Kant, Critique of Pure Reason
3. Paine, Age of Reason
4. Anon, Anarchist Cook Book
5. Hitler, Mein Kampf
6. The Prophet, Quran
7. LaVey, Satanic Bible
8. Et.al., Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders
9. Marx/Engels, Communist Manifesto
10. Freud, Interpretation of Dreams
11. Rand, Atlas Shrugged
12. Stowe, Uncle Tom's Cabin
13. Newton, Principia Mathematica
14. Roth/Stone, Bridge is a Partnership Game
15. Marx, Capital
16. Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird
17. Mao, Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-Tung
18. Hernstein/Murray, Bell Curve
19. Gödel, Über formal unentscheidbare Sätze der "Principia Mathematica" und verwandter Systeme
20. Wollstonecraft, Vindication of the Rights of Women
21. Obama, Dreams from my Father
22. B.F. Skinner- Walden Two
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On 2012-06-27 11:10, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
And Muhammad please, not "The Prophet". Smile


Feel free to change it.

I'm afraid to type his name.
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On 2012-06-27 11:14, S2000magician wrote:
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On 2012-06-27 11:09, stoneunhinged wrote:
;) My bad.

Duh.

(And Lobo's as well.)

;)



Sory.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
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On 2012-06-27 10:40, stoneunhinged wrote:
1. Darwin, Origin of Species
2. Kant, Critique of Pure Reason
3. Paine, Age of Reason
4. Anon, Anarchist Cook Book
5. Hitler, Mein Kampf
6. The Prophet, Quran
7. LaVey, Satanic Bible
8. Et.al., Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders
9. Marx/Engels, Communist Manifesto
10. Freud, Interpretation of Dreams
11. Rand, Atlas Shrugged
12. Stowe, Uncle Tom's Cabin
13. Newton, Principia Mathematica
14. Roth/Stone, Bridge is a Partnership Game
15. Marx, Capital
16. Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird
17. Mao, Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-Tung
18. Hernstein/Murray, Bell Curve
19. Gödel, Über formal unentscheidbare Sätze der "Principia Mathematica" und verwandter Systeme
20. Wellenstone, Vindication of the Rights of Women
21. Obama, "Dreams from my Father."

OK, that last one seems intended to provoke.

Also, Landmark, you can replace it yourself. Anyone can cut and paste and modify the list. That's my final version of the game. Let anyone modify the list, Wikipedia style.

I still think we should reduce it to ten, though, because I was trying to mimic the "10 most dangerous books" list by producing a list of truly dangerous books.


I agree, but I think this group brainstorming and then narrowing the list is a good idea. If we have a lost of just 10 to start, the replacement books will have a psychological disadvantage.

One thing we could do is have a bracketed tournament...get it up to 40, then have randomly drawn elimination matches. Two books head to head...whoever proposed each writes a paragraph about why, and everyone has a day to vote for one or the other.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

"...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us."
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That sounds like a lot of work. I don't think I'll propose any more if I have to write a paper about it Smile
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Pakar, you certainly know what you are talking about.

How about another little book that is responsible for 50,000,000 or more needless deaths?

Rachel Carson's Silent Spring.
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