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But as I understand it , it's modern useage in the American South is from the miners. Maybe they just brought it back. I do know of the Irish links to appalachia. Who knows?

I mean, who you gonna ask, A redneck?
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I suppose there is a link there somewhere. The mayor of Matewan was Sid Hatfield... yes, THOSE Hatfields.
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On 2012-07-05 16:44, Michael Baker wrote:
I suppose there is a link there somewhere. The mayor of Matewan was Sid Hatfield... yes, THOSE Hatfields.


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Nothing that you haven't already by moving to Texas. Smile
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That's better?
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Hi Pecan, I think if you'd ask most people in the South where the word redneck comes from or why they use it, very few of them would mention striking miners or Scottish Covenanters. But the term was widely used in XVIIth century Scotland to mean "Presbyterians" and that is the way it was first used on this side of the Atlantic, as well.
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And I seriously doubt that anyone would answer "Presbyterians" if asked to define a redneck.
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I think it comes from Ireland, people out in the country get red necks from the sun burning their neck as they bend to pick crops. They, the city folk, call them cultches or something like that there. People from the countryside are slower as things move slower in the sticks than in the city and they talk slower and so on.
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Let's not confuse etymology with current usage. In fact, the etymology of a word often sheds no light whatsoever on its current usage.
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From the splash pattern you can tell what speed the victim was ejected. The torn and twisted label indicates there was more than one person in the car and one of them was a nasty peice of work. Darn awful way to go. The bottle must have been half full. One less bud.

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We will all be rednecks soon. You are only at the brink of poverty at the moment and there is a long way to go yet. I have seen the future and it's murder.
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On 2012-07-06 07:11, mastermindreader wrote:
And I seriously doubt that anyone would answer "Presbyterians" if asked to define a redneck.

More like "Baptist" or "Pentecostal."
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On 2012-07-06 07:37, Woland wrote:
Let's not confuse etymology with current usage. In fact, the etymology of a word often sheds no light whatsoever on its current usage.


How so? One could also argue that etymology encodes history which in turn offers insight regarding context.
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Hi Jonathan, I did not say that etymology never offers insights regarding the meaning of a word, however an excessive reliance on (sometimes mistaken) etymology to parse the meaning of a word as it is currently used is often a manifestation of the "genetic fallacy." In the current case, the term redneck is used to describe a certain identifiable class of people, and that usage has nothing to do with either Scottish Covenanters or Kentucky miners.
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"Redneck is a historically derogatory slang term used in reference to poor, uneducated white farmers, especially from the southern United States."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redneck
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That's been one usage. But it appears to have been "taken back," like "Indian." I think this is primarily due to Jeff Foxworthy, a computer guy. Smile
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I wish to thank everyone who chimed in.
I never expected to learn so much on this topic.

Now, off to solve some more crimes!
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