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On 2012-07-02 18:44, Slide wrote:
It needs to be defined?


Yes.
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A free press is simply the reporting of news without governmental censorship.
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A free press is simply the reporting of news without governmental censorship.


Yes, and that news can be twisted to suit the owners of the network reporting it.
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It is interesting that none of you think a single news outlet is unbiased. And the only one mentioned is British. So what you are saying is that we don't have an open and free press in this country. That it is all propaganda. And if what we are all hearing is propaganda, than no one really knows the truth about any issue.

Sort of defeats the purpose of democracy doesn't it.


I think the statement that the BBC is unbiased was a joke, by the way. At least it got a good laugh from me.

But with all due respect, I think you're missing the point. Having an open and free press means that everyone who can afford to do so, can print up their point of view on the news, and if people want to, they can buy it and read it. It is in the "free marketplace of ideas" that a free people can decide for themselves -- so many things. Part of making good decisions about the news we receive, is understanding where the purveyors of that news are coming from.

In that sense, I like the British tradition of journalism more than the American, because British newspapers have never pretended to be unbiased. The false claim of unbiased impartiality, the false claim that journalism is a "profession" rather than a swashbuckling trade, the false claim that any one source of news can provide a comprehensive picture of the world - these are childish illusions.

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A free press is simply the reporting of news without governmental censorship.


Yes, and that news can be twisted to suit the owners of the network reporting it.


Yes it can. That's why a variety of sources is important.

I have to laugh, though, at those who will say, on the one hand, that ALL news and polls, etc. are biased, while on the other hand espousing views that are clearly molded by those self same "biased" sources.
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On 2012-07-02 18:45, mastermindreader wrote:
A free press is simply the reporting of news without governmental censorship.


A tee press as you imply is free from government. Not free from bias.
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On 2012-07-02 18:45, mastermindreader wrote:
A free press is simply the reporting of news without governmental censorship.


A tee press as you imply is free from government. Not free from bias.


Yes, I agree. Freedom from government censorship is all that freedom of the press guarantees.
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It is interesting that none of you think a single news outlet is unbiased. And the only one mentioned is British. So what you are saying is that we don't have an open and free press in this country. That it is all propaganda. And if what we are all hearing is propaganda, than no one really knows the truth about any issue.

Sort of defeats the purpose of democracy doesn't it.


I think that the bias reflects openness and freedom. People have biases. If there were some generally accepted definition of "unbiased" that news outlets HAD to adhere to, that forced adherence would necessarily limit freedom.

IMO, the wisest course is to read/listen to sources on both sides. The truth is almost always somewhere in between.
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Fox at least distinguishes between the news reports and its opinion shows.
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Fox at least distinguishes between the news reports and its opinion shows.

Not accurately, though.
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Fox at least distinguishes between the news reports and its opinion shows.


LOL!!

Like when their "news reports" on the tea party rally in D.C. used footage from the "Million Man March" to show how big the crowd was? But you're right, that wasn't biased reporting. It was just outright lying.

Or how about when FOX news "reported" on the Glenn Beck rally as if it was a major political event, when in fact they were the only network covering it seriously?

A lot can be learned about the bias of any network simply by looking at which stories they wish to cover and how much coverage they give to particular events.
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Or When MSNBC covers minor left protest with 10-20 people and doesn't cover right protest with thousands.
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The difference is that FOX promoted and organized the "rallies" themselves, called them "major events," advertised them daily and then "covered" them. Reporting news is different from manufacturing it, a distinction that FOX failed to make.

Remember how they caught the FOX producer on camera leading the crowd in chants?

Fair and Balanced. LOL
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How was a Glenn Beck rally any less 'news' than a Jon Stewart - Colbert rally?
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On 2012-07-02 20:43, Pete Biro wrote:
Fox at least distinguishes between the news reports and its opinion shows.


Fox is the most biased network out there.
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Oh lord the Fox debate.

Let me just add 29.
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