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Expertmagician Inner circle 2478 Posts |
Bottom line...I prefer deailing with real people...seeing real cards, dice, tables, etc.
I can't see electrons in cyberspace so while it may be hard to spot cheating in real life, a least you stand a chance.... In cyberspace, catching a cheat or cheats is infinately more difficult. Good luck you trusting online poker and casino players. I am amazed that you even think of trusting government regulators. I trust them as much as I trust the current Justice Department. http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/28/politics/h......dex.html Want to buy a gun How about 100 guns Oh yea...the rest of the Obama administration is trustworthy too. http://www.bookerrising.net/2012/06/obam......ege.html ------------------- Now that Donald Trump has permission to rebuild the Jones Beach resturant...I would prefer to see a beach front casino there vs. online gaming made legal. Also, many more people will be employed Odds don't look good for a casino though: http://www.ptny.org/pdfs/inthenews/Newsday11.1.10.pdf
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Tony45 Veteran user 384 Posts |
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On 2012-07-04 18:59, Cagliostro wrote: I wish I could out the kibosh on a lot of things but unfortunately, I'm just another knucklehead. Youre dead right about running the business legit, it will surely make more money over the long run. But as always, larceny rears its ugly head and the promise of fast dollars and the thought of not getting caught always gets in the way. Cant be helped, its human nature to make the easy score. I wonder how much has been stolen from these online poker sites already and no one knows about it. Hey, if they can hack into the pentagon, some online poker site is going to be a problem ? Or the owners themselves have teams of players with programs going for the money. I don't know and am not really interested in it but nothing surprises me in the least anymore, but it always makes me laugh when someone defends one of these sites and says theyre totally honest. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
However, the vagaries of luck, or chance, have impressed the professional card player with a certain knowledge that his more respected brother of the stock exchange possesses, viz.--manipulation is more profitable than speculation; so to make both ends meet, and incidentally a good living, he also performs his part with the shears when the lambs come to market. SWE
On the square? On the Square Mile in London you will find the greatest manipulations in the world. There, well there they even shock me.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On 2012-07-05 00:42, Expertmagician wrote: You mistake my concepts. The trust I have is that they may set-up a viable BUSINESS venture as opposed to a FTP venture. Operating an online business and profiting therein, is different than playing online. We must keep the distinction separate because I think there may be some very big money made with the business venture. From a business point of view, that is where the real money is going to be made, not in playing the games. The government and regulators are there to promote the concept the games are safe and legit. (C’mon guys. Think out of the box a little here. You have to be the “house,” not the player. Let’s get our focus straight. However, if you want to play online, you might want to be the one with the shears!) Quote:
On 2012-07-05 00:42, Expertmagician wrote: Better be careful here. Remember the president has unlimited power to kill anyone he so desires, including U.S. citizens, solely on the basis of his own decision without judicial review, oversight, or any checks and balances whatsoever. Under the guise of National Security (a catch-all phase that allows the president and other government officials to shatter the Constitution whenever they like), he has people murdered on a regular basis (primarily through cowardly drone strikes) because he has determined they are, may or could be “terrorists” and so what if a lot of innocents get slaughtered also. It is their fault if they are in close proximity to a “terrorist,” whether he is real or imagined. Wait a minute. What is that sound above my house? It is not a helicopter...but the droning hum is getting louder and louder and it sounds like a …AGH...! |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Isn't running a legit casino pretty much a license to steal anyhow?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Expertmagician Inner circle 2478 Posts |
I just recently heard that Obama and some local police departments are looking to fly some camera (golf ball sise) drones over US cites. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-......ens.html Mmmm, I wonder if I can use those in some outdoor poker games...like a high tech "Goldfinger". Personally, I prefer the old fashoned method using the girl: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vfd8KbljDbg/Tw......tion.jpg That is worse than local towns using Google Earth to increase property taxes on invividuals because that changed something in their back yard. I am thankful that I can't afford to make any changes to be taxed
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
Cag hasn't been kidnapped by the FBI, nah, it's a former casino owner he fleeced counting cards who sent some guys at his home...
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On 2012-07-05 16:47, AMcD wrote: [LOL. They already tried that but I knew the guys they send, told them I had read Erdnase and to prove it, cited a couple of clever quotes from the book and they immediately backed off. I’m not sure of this, it may have also helped that I cut them in on the play - but nope…it was my knowledge of Erdnase that did it. (Guys. I’m just kidding. I LOVE Erdnase. Everything I know I learned from Erdnase, and I have only completed the first 3 pages. How’s that for credibility.) Maybe we should start a new thread, Perhaps a new AMcD website, not on Alien Abductions but on Casino Abductions. (Sometimes I amaze myself with the great concepts I come up with.) |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On 2012-07-05 16:17, Expertmagician wrote: The "Land of the Free" and "Home of the Brave" becomes scarier every day. In the right circumstances, determined by some government thug, the military will be able to send troops to invade our neighborhood and homes. I wonder what the penalty will be for shooting the drones down? Perhaps it will be, “Go to Guantanamo, don’t stop at ‘Go,’ but proceed directly to Guantanamo.” Quote:
On 2012-07-05 16:17, Expertmagician wrote: I like the way you think. lol |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
The Serious Fraud Office (SFO) – The Cops -has confirmed that it has formally launched an criminal investigation into the rigging of the inter-bank lending rate, Libor. Which about the banks worldwide rigging the interest we the people have paying on mortgages Credits Cards and everything else and it runs into trillions. God knows what else has been going on at the banks. But you are not getting anything back you bet on that. Everyone in the world should refuse to pay anything to these crooks the banks. The way I see it is the banks have been nailed cheating us so why pay them the bets we have made with them?
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On 2012-07-06 09:45, tommy wrote: You really hit the nail on the head with this one, tommy. FTP is Mickey Mouse kid stuff compared with the continuing fraud the big boys (banks and financial institutions) do. Because FTP is small fry, they will probably be prosecuted and go to prisoner. As far as the bankers and financial crooks are concerned, that is another story. I don’t know how good enforcement and criminal prosecution is at this level in Great Britain or in the rest of the European countries, but in the U.S., not only are these financial crooks too big to fail, they are too big to prosecute. The U.S. has become a Plutocracy (government by the super-rich and large institutions), and is a Republic/Democracy in name only. Usually when caught in massive fraud, the banks are fined a certain amount in restitution which amounts too only a small percentage of what they have stolen. Once in a while they may throw a sacrificial lamb to be prosecuted, but the “game” remains the same. Our most influential politicians in Congress spend 80% of their time getting financial contributions from the wealthy and powerful for re-election and they sell out to the highest bidder. Since they are the ones that make the laws, change in the system cannot occur as the election process is basically a sham and essentially doesn’t change anything. It just gives the unwashed masses “hope” which never materializes. Thomas Jefferson, one of the most brilliant of the founding fathers said we needed a revolution every 25 years of so to clean everything out and start afresh. This was one very bright guy… |
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rjs Loyal user 296 Posts |
Plutocracy? That's too generous.
Kleptocracy is more accurate. |
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
Cag,
One of my favorite authors, Mark Twain, once wrote this: "We have the best government that money can buy". Personally, I think it fits perfectly nowadays governments. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Short thing telling how it worked:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjWUwGbyf7w And old Prof telling how it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwE37bweKWs Also banks are pushing to settle with regulators amid the deepening bank scandal that consumed the leadership of Barclays. Or, in other words, bankers are offering bungs to drop the investigation now its on them. Which is bribery and coruption in itslf and no one blinks an eye and acts as if there is nothing wrong when the bankers do that. It all seems to stem from when they had what they called the big bang....that was when it all went on line.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On 2012-07-07 13:23, tommy wrote: I think this may be only a small portion of the shenanigans that bank engage in. Unfortunately, because of the tremendous power the elite have over the political and financial system, I believe only a few band aid type measures will be presented to appease the public and then it will be business as usual. Thomas Jefferson wrote in the 1700s that “banks are more dangerous than standing armies,” so all of this is nothing new, it is just that the public is now becoming more and more aware of their financial power and clout. I recall when I was in my 20s and working as a pit boss in a major LV casino that one of the patrons was on the Board of Governors of the Comex (Commodity Exchange, Inc.), in New York which traded futures on Gold, Silver and Copper. At that time he was the largest silver trader in the world. He told me that gambling in a casino was small time and he played for fun and amusement as he could be up or down several hundreds of thousands of dollars when he woke up in the morning on his futures positions, which would be considerably more in today’s dollars. He came in with a couple of his associates from the exchange on one trip and introduced me to them. All very wealthy and more tightly lipped than the hustlers I knew. I know they were trading on information the public was not privy too as this big trader set up an account for his Vegas girlfriend and would call her at the right time to tell here when to buy and sell silver futures. He even gave her the money to set up the account. As I look back I can see I wasted my time on card and dice moves because in comparison that is small time. If I had to do it over again, or if I was a young man today, trading and the financial sector would be the area I would learn and get into, cultivate the right people and look to acquire the “real” moves. That is where the huge money is and were it has always been. |
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Tony45 Veteran user 384 Posts |
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On 2012-07-07 15:15, Cagliostro wrote: Hindsight is always 20/20 buddy, you know this as well as anyone. You did the best you could with the ability you had, that's all there is to it. If you were really bright, you would have been the next Warren Buffet, but you played the hand you had at the time. You had too much of that "Street Mentality" in you , lol. Not that that's a bad thing, but I would venture you have done all right for yourself and have no real complaints, but the grass does always look greener don't it ? |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
Here is a little additional commentary on the current WSOP being held at the Rio in Las Vegas, the waning effect of the Full Tip Poker and Poker Stars scandal, the lack of some of the biggest online players who lost their money in the scam, the sloppy, unkempt, unwashed, unshaven masses that roam the hallways and play the games, Antonio “The Magician” Esfandiari winning $18 Million while barefooted (a big boost for the magician gentry), and some further interesting observations.
Sort of an interesting read. Quote:
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On 2012-07-08 05:24, Tony45 wrote: That “Street Mentality” has been a blessing and a curse of sorts. I made a super ton of money with that “mentality” and it has served me well, but in hindsight there is so much more I would like to have done in different areas if only I had the time. I don’t think I could do it all in ten lifetimes. I have no complaints at all, but one “haunting” regret. The big silver trader from New York that I mentioned previously offered to take me under his wings and be my mentor and under his guidance I probably could have eventually gotten into the “in” financial crowd in New York. Without being immodest I had all the ingredients at that time, the education, the appearance, the ability, the upbringing, the personality and youth, but I did not want to move back to New York because things were going so great in Vegas (the glamour, the money, the woman) - I kind of felt a little like King Kong. Of course, I don’t know what would have happened if I made the move. I like to think it would have worked out well, but who knows? I know one thing though. Being bright had nothing to do with it, but being stupid did! Who said, “Youth is wasted on the young”??? |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
Here is the latest on the Full Tilt Poker fiasco. The amount of money involved is staggering to most people. I am patiently awaiting the outcome of the government’s criminal prosecution, if any, of Lederer and Ferguson. The government alleges Lederer collected $42 million while Ferguson was paid $87.5 million and was "owed" another $25 million. Everyone is presumed innocent until proved guilty in the U.S., and without condemning anyone of wrongdoing, I find it almost inconceivable that Ferguson and Lederer did not know what was going on.
If Bitar starts to “talk” in order to strike a deal with the Feds, it should be interesting what he has to say in regard to Lederer and Ferguson. These two guys were among the “royalty” of the poker world. Quote:
This case has poker world watching |
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SHLONKY New user 17 Posts |
Id like to add my 2 cents....
I am a web developer...one who has created a poker website, and the rng for the decks. now... if you didn't already kno..... ITS IMPOSSIBLE FOR A PC TO GENERATE A RANDOM NUMBER!! hands are pre planned from a set list (of billions) ...now don't think I'm sayin the river card is planned pre deal, cards can change in each stage, but from the point of shuffling the computer will select what cards are dealt to each player... it will then have a choice of what cards come on the flop...it will then choose what card is on the turn, and finally the river! each card is chosen from a list of possible cards (each having there own number regarding the chances of it being selected) onto "seeing other users cards" ....these accounts are programmed into all online gaming sites...they are necessary, and used by staff to look for cheating! if they couldn't see everyones cards then how would they tell? (other than scrolling through thousands of lines of a database looking at the hands) as for the "owners cheating everyone" ..... dudes??? do you beleive the newspaper wen they tell you a cow flew over the atlantic ocean? now don't get me wrong....of course online gaming is completely rigged.. but do you really think theyre inetersted in your $20 a month that your gonna lose on the site anyway?? theyre after the guys who spend $200 a game in rake and bet stupid $60k bets on a coinflip! ...what point of takin off the little man do they have...heres the facts... there are billions of online poker players.... 85% cant play poker, no matter how much they think they can!! therefore when they lose its always "a scam" this brings an issue for the ppl who can play poker.... as sitting at a table full of donks will only get you in trouble...and when your aa pre flop loses to a guy all in with 2 8 off suit and he gets a full house....you also scream scam!!! the truth is that online there are far too many idiots which always gives ppl a reason to cry....and the first thing they think of (as there skills are far so great) is that its a site scam! why would a poker site scam a little guy????......they wouldnt...cuz lets face it, if anyones gonna complain and "call the cops"..its gonna be a guy whos lost his $20 on bad beats! I coul go on....but its a subject that will never be resolved, no matter how many facts everyone knows!! |
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