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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2012-07-03 18:31, landmark wrote:Chicago used to favor omission of the s after the apostrophe, now it merely allows it. 7.16Possessive of proper nouns, letters, and numbers The general rule extends to proper nouns, including names ending in s, x, or z, in both their singular and plural forms, as well as letters and numbers. SINGULAR FORMS Kansas’s legislature Chicago’s lakefront Marx’s theories Jesus’s adherents Berlioz’s works Tacitus’s Histories Borges’s library Dickens’s novels Malraux’s masterpiece Josquin des Prez’s motets -The Chicago Manual of Style (online)
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Thanks, I was wrong to rely on Wikipedia for Chicago's present recommendation; as you say the present 16th edition don't even allow dropping the apostrophe s as an option anymore.
However, from the previous 15th edition: "7.23An alternative practice Those uncomfortable with the rules, exceptions, and options outlined above may prefer the system, formerly more common,[italics mine] of simply omitting the possessive s on all words ending in s—hence “Dylan Thomas’ poetry,” “Maria Callas’ singing,” and “that business’ main concern.” Though easy to apply, that usage disregards pronunciation and thus seems unnatural to many." I would argue that English disregards pronunciation much of the time, while the language is much more constrained by what combinations of letters may appear together. Business's with three of the same letters in a row is very clumsy.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2012-07-03 20:00, S2000magician wrote: The problem with that is in the pronunciation. "Gus's tie" is pronounced "Gusses tie" NOT "Gus tie" whereas "Jesus' cross" is pronounced just as it is written and NOT "Jesuses cross." |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On 2012-07-03 22:28, mastermindreader wrote: ghoti. |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Is that like the card game "Go Ghoti?"
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
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On 2012-07-03 18:25, mastermindreader wrote: Actually, it is rule #1. And I think the reason it is rule number one is that it's a sort of warning shot across the bow about what is to come: a preference for clarity above all else. "Gus's" is preferable because it is clearer. |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
I thought rule #1 was "bros before hoes."
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Jeff J. Special user Connecticut 787 Posts |
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On 2012-07-03 17:29, Pakar Ilusi wrote: My ex-wife was barbaric. |
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Jeff J. Special user Connecticut 787 Posts |
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On 2012-07-04 06:08, Old Scratch Johnson wrote: |
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Vincero Veteran user New Zealand 379 Posts |
The added 's' is essentially an American addition no? I was always taught, and still always (try to) adhere to the English way of doing things.
I do however, enjoy the comma before an 'and' at the end of a list: I had a cat, a mouse, and a dog. The English usually insist on dropping the final comma. To me, the clarity argument cuts the mustard here; I'm not so sure about the s's though. Zac
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Still threat'ning to devour me opens wide, To which the Hell I suffer seems a Heav'n" -John Milton, (Paradise Lost) |
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Jeff J. Special user Connecticut 787 Posts |
I never could get the hang of apostrophes.
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Agree with Bob, Strunk & White, and the majority of SCOTUS, although I think that they never "decided" this question, their "decision" is based on a review of the individual justices' practices. What bothers me more than the additional "S" is the superflous apostrophe that one often finds on roadside signs and other informal places. E.g. "Fresh Apple's for sale." It is also wrong when used to indicate the plural of a family name, e.g. "the Johnson's" -
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
On 2012-07-04 04:32, stoneunhinged wrote:
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] Yes, I think that's the best grounds for argument. I don't think that pronunciation is a strong one at all for reasons that S2000 and I have indicated. I guess I'm going to start changing, but it doesn't mean I have to like it. Seems awfully ugly to me.
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
As the Croatian psychiatrist said, do it a few more times. You'll get used to it.
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Steve_Mollett Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3006 Posts |
Two pages over THIS?!?
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Jeff J. Special user Connecticut 787 Posts |
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On 2012-07-04 09:29, Steve_Mollett wrote: Why not? It's the 4'th of July weekend. Many people have the day off, so why not spend it on a forum? |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On 2012-07-04 02:15, mastermindreader wrote: Touché! |
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Jim Sparx Inner circle Far Out, Texas 1144 Posts |
Gus's wife looks like his cousin Daryl's other older brother, Daryl.
P.S. She ain't that hot.
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Tom Jorgenson Inner circle LOOSE ANGLES, CALIFORNIA 4451 Posts |
Edit, wrong thread....
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
If there were two brothers whose last name was Gu, their wives would properly be referred to as the Gus' mates. That's about the only construction of Gus' that I believe would be correct.
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