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Exactly. It is to sell crap. Nothing theatrical about it.
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I don't think you will ever find agreement on who is the "best" trainer any more than you'll find agreement on which is the "best" book.

The words in one book may help one person tremendously while they may bore another person to tears or not make sense. One trainer may have just the right approach for one person while leaving another cold. Further, if the trainer gives a workshop just after his or her spouse gives them a notice that they're seeking a divorce and their doctor says they have cancer, the trainer may not do as good a job as when things are going great in his or her life! I've read books that I think are terrible while others claim the book has rocked their world and made them a great hypnotist. The same is true of hypnosis trainers.

To the best of my knowledge—and YMMV—there are several good trainers in Las Vegas, NV. The (American) National Guild of Hypnotists puts on a convention each year. It's next month in Marlborough, Massachusetts. Although they are mostly oriented toward hypnotherapy, they are having an addition 2-day course for just $375 by Jerry Valley and Tommy Vee called The Ultimate Stage Hypnotism Workshop. A PDF can be found here: http://goo.gl/PPjvM

Am I mentioning this because it is the "best?" No. I'm just mentioning it because it's available, reasonably priced, and I'm familiar with Valley's work as a stage hypnotists and writer on the subject.

My suggestion is to change your thinking away from "I'll take a class and be an expert." Stage hypnosis is not like learning the linking rings. Rather, it is a process of development and, IMO, continued learning. Get the basics, preferably in a training. Advance what you've learned via study, practice, and perhaps even further trainings.

I don't think any performer is "THE best" at every performance. But any performer can strive to get better!
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On 2012-07-08 10:58, Dannydoyle wrote:
Exactly. It is to sell crap. Nothing theatrical about it.


Actually Danny the people that go to these shows appreciate a drink. And some of the most talked about highlights are with what happens in the bar as a load of hypnotized characters descend upon them. Some of the funniest moments are when they come back up on stage and you ask them what they have been up to. Some of my shows have been 2 and a half hours including the break and the audience still sat in their seats not wanting to go because it had been so funny.

Remember also you are there for the theatre I basically saved the managers job by helping him turn around a cinema that had been badly managed and was losing money. He got all the credit and made him look great in front of his bosses. In return he bent the rules for me to make it possible. The bar is always a highlight of the show for a lot of people.

But I would be happy to do it with or without depending upon the venue.
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Exactly. You can't really talk about venues you haven't worked. In Vegas even the Cirque shows run straight through. Blue Man Group, Penn and Teller, Copperfield , phantom, Mac King, Legends and almost any show I can name runs this way.
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Hello

I'm sorry if this sounds like a stupid question but I'm not a stage hypnotist. If there is an interval, what happens with the subject? I mean, do you leave them with post hypnotic suggestions to make the interval hilaroius or are they "normal" and just talking about their experiences - In that case do you suggest that they
will remember the first half in case some have spontaneous amnesia?

Do you have any examples of the things that happen during the interval? Just trying to picture it.

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On 2012-07-08 23:28, Dannydoyle wrote:
Exactly. You can't really talk about venues you haven't worked. In Vegas even the Cirque shows run straight through. Blue Man Group, Penn and Teller, Copperfield , phantom, Mac King, Legends and almost any show I can name runs this way.


I'm not arguing with you Danny. I am just saying that an American audience probably would sit through the format of show I mention. If I were fortunate enough to work in Vegas I would conform to whatever they wanted. Most theatre shows over here have an intermission.
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MP is right. An intermission is the norm over here. There would be resistance to changing that as people would miss their half time drink.
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What you are really saying Danny is that its not the audience that wouldn't sit through that format because I have loads of Americans at the last Festival shows -- its the venue's in vegas etc that prefer their format for whatever their reasons are.
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I doubt an American audience would sir through it. I am pretty sure that is what I said.

I am not saying what is the norm over there. I would not presume to do so as I have never performed there.

Hypnokid all people are different. The guy who taught me actually did a long show, almost 3 hours. (Mind you this was 50+ years ago.) People would indeed have an intermission and he would have a post hypnotic cue that brought them back to the stage. The idea is not so much to make the interval hilarious but rather quite normal. This way when on cue for no reason at all they just go to the stage it is that much more amazing. It can be quite theatrical when done indeed. It is about other things.

Again in our environment today such a cue is tough. Social norms have indeed changed.
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If they sat through a three hour show 50 years ago they would do it today if the show was good enough.

as for the bar? There are loads of things you can do to have the place screaming with laughter. Throughout the whole intermission. You can create characters that feed off each other in the bar get into "conflict". That is so much more dramatic and funny than just cueing them to run back on stage.

And at the start of the second half it can be hilarious asking them what they got up to. Plus it IS amazing to the audience too see them interact with them off the stage.

I honestly don't see how social norms come into it? I thought that's what made hypnosis funny breaking the social norms of those on stage?

The two most successful films of all time Titanic and Avatar are both over three hours long!
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I can see subjects left to their own devices amongst the audience during intermission a legality and insurance nightmare. Especially over these I would think?
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You would think so but personally I have had no problems. The only thing is that you need sufficient security staff to follow them about to make sure they are ok. There is something in the guidelines I can't remember exactly what they say but it covers the bar( one time it was common for volunteers to go into the bar of a theatre) the venue usually takes care of that part to get the license.

You need to be precise about suggestions about no violence they won't go anywhere unsafe and they won't leave the theater unless there is a fire in which case they will leave calmly and by time they get out all suggestions will be removed etc.
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Are you being intentionally obtuse?

Here let me break it down in smaller bites. Casinos are a business. If you think the business of selling an extra drink compares with the business of letting them throw money in machines you need to do some research. Do you really miss this point? Or are you just so wound up in the idea of a show you don't consider reality?

Saying they would sit through it today because they did 50 years ago is mindless. Nothing would ever change if that was true. Nobody makes musicals much any more. Things change.

Maybe this is why hypnosis has so much trouble with moving forward.
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Danny, it is different over here. Musicals still do huge business - every second show in the West End in London is a musical. And Keith Barry's show The Asylum - a mix of magic and mentalism - ran to three hours.

I understand your point about Vegas - the casinos have to maximize profits, and including intervals does not facilitate that. But MP is also right - people will attend a three hour show if they have come out for a three hour show. As proof of that, consider that baseball and American football games run to several hours, in sharp contrast to the UK's soccer and our football and hurling games, which last just an hour and a half or so. If Americans will sit for sports, why not for entertainment?
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Respectfully, Danny, casinos make gobs of money off the sales of alcohol. You're right that they're in the business of gambling (they prefer to call it "gaming," now), but the business is far more than just throwing them into a gambling den. They also have to encourage them to spend more money. One way to do this is by making it appear that all the losers are having fun...no, make that HAVING FUN! Many of the people going to shows don't gamble, but if they go through the casinos and talk loudly and happily about the fun they had, others will subconsciously equate it with other things going on in the same venue...i.e., gambling. So getting people into shows they enjoy and getting them to buy drinks is very much a part of running a major casino.
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1000 seats each buy two drink at £5 that's extra £10 grand multiplied by three tiomes a week. that's an extra £30 grand taken in from drink intermissions. Some of our theatres have 3000 seats.

Seems a good business practice to me. People don't change that much. If you know anything about hypnosis outside the stage you will understand the principle of time distortion. All good entertainment is hypnosis anyway.

I just came back from the latest reboot of Spider Man that movie was nearly two and a half hours. Are you telling me Danny they have a shorter edited version for the American market? If shows in Vegas are 90 mins standard then its because it fits a business model that suits Vegas. It has nothing to do with the maximum attention span of an audience.

We just had a music festival here called T in the park and it poured down torrential rain for the two whole days and night. Yet it was packed with thousands of people who lived in the knee deep mud soaked for three days and two nights.

People are the same all over the world you can engage them for just about any amount of time and in just about any set of conditions so long as you deliver what they want.
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With respect how many have you worked? Doesn't sound like many. For example the Jubilee show is fined if it runs over time. The people sitting in a show are not spending money. They want them there as little time as possible.

Funny how people who have never done these things want to tell those if haven't have how it works!

Do you really mean to tell me casinos have people buying drinks? News flash they bring them to you for gambling.

The comedy shows at the local casinos and such are the same way.

They don't want to cut into people gambling for any longer than they must. Same with the touring shows. It is a simple formula.

Tony you are talking about something that is far more cultural than a hypnosis show. But if you guys are so convinced why not just tap into the vast market of exceedingly long shows and do them here? Better yet why hasn't anyone? Could it be that it just doesn't work?
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Danny is right about the Vegas shows. One of my first casino shows in town went 12 minutes over. I got fined AND had to play an extra $325 to the house crew for overtime. You learn quickly.
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Vegas does what it does for whatever reasons, commercial or traditional who knows? Its not got anything to do with whether the audience will or won't sit through a different format.

Its obvious they will as Tony pointed out with baseball which is just a form of entertainment. As they do with cinema releases. Stage Hypnosis is just another form of entertainment nothing more.
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How can you pontificate about a culture you know nothing of? Well I know how, but why?

Americans are NOT going to REGULARLY sit for such a thing. That is the deal.
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