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Illusion77 New user 75 Posts |
Hi everyone - I was wondering, with your experience, which is the best dye tube to purchase.
I am looking at both the Camirand Dye Tube and the Rice Simplex Dye Tube. The Camirand Tube seems to hold larger silks, but is it as convenient to use, steal, etc? Also, do you have any recommendations for the best, high quality silks for the routine? In researching online, there seem to be various qualities from different sources. Thank you for your thoughts. |
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Actually the Rice Palmo is the best hand dye tube in the world. None can compare to the versatility of this and craftsmanship for only $10.00.
http://www.silkkingmagic.com/Rice's%20Palmo.htm It will hold silks up to 24 inch in size. I have used it for over 50 years. Rice's product is made better then the India model sold by other dealers. Highly recommended! 10 out of 10 stars! |
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hugmagic Inner circle 7655 Posts |
There is no right or wrong answer to this. It all depends what routine, size of silks you want to use, and size of your hands. You may be fine using 12" silks. Billy McComb used 15" Pop Hayden uses 18". It does depend a lot on the silk size.
Usually for a dye tube, you want a 6 or 5 momme. 5 momme is the thinner. Both will work but the 6 will hold a little better with the poking and such as there are a few more fibers that keep the fibers from shifting and getting runs. But you may have to use 5 momme to fit your need and just replace them more often. I assume you are talking only about an in the hand routine and not the Al Baker paper dye tube type of routine. Townhouse Maigc had a good routine "My face was red". Of course, there is Billy's routine (but think of using different colors). Rice has a wealth of dye tube routines. Rice makes a good simplex dye tube that will work for 12" silks quite nicely. The Palmo can handle bigger silks 15" or 18". It also depends upon how many silks you load into the tube (2 or 1) at a time. I know I have not really given you an answer but we do need more information to better advise you. Is this a stand up or strolling routine or is this a talker done on stage? Lots to think about. Richard
Richard E. Hughes, Hughes Magic Inc., 352 N. Prospect St., Ravenna, OH 44266 (330)296-4023
www.hughesmagic.com email-hugmagic@raex.com Write direct as I will be turning off my PM's. |
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Illusion77 New user 75 Posts |
Thanks for your thoughts Bill and Richard, I appreciate it. My concern with the Palmo is that it might be too big and look like your hand is holding something extra besides the silks. Of course, I'm not familiar with the handling, so this might not be a valid concern.
Richard, I'm interested in performing the bare hand color changing handkerchief routine with sucker explanation. The first person I saw perform this was Doug Henning. Do you know the type of tube and silks that Doug used in his routine? Steve Dacri also performed a similar routine. Your suggestions are very helpful. Thank you. |
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Palmo works fine, you just need to learn to hold it properly. I have been using one for 30 years. But a good alternative can be found at http://www.porperoriginals.com/misc_dye.htm
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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Mark Ross Loyal user Batavia, NY 236 Posts |
I have found the Palmo quite easy to handle and prefer it to the Dye Tube I have. Of course, one of my problems is pudgy fingers. The Rice booklet "Through the Dye Tube" has a section on the Palmo, as well as several other, larger devices.
Mark |
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hugmagic Inner circle 7655 Posts |
I am not sure what Doug used. I would guess judging from the video and such it was either a Rice Simlex or Johnson tube using 12" silks. The Townhouse routine is good. It is in the Townhouse book or in old copies of Ledgerdain magazine. Roger Klause also did a nice version of it with a sucker ending.
The dye tube will let you do some fingertip manipulation that you cannot do with a Palmo. Hope that helps. Richard
Richard E. Hughes, Hughes Magic Inc., 352 N. Prospect St., Ravenna, OH 44266 (330)296-4023
www.hughesmagic.com email-hugmagic@raex.com Write direct as I will be turning off my PM's. |
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Illusion77 New user 75 Posts |
Thanks everyone! I appreciate your thoughts and advice!
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hugmagic Inner circle 7655 Posts |
It should read legerdermain magazine.
Richard
Richard E. Hughes, Hughes Magic Inc., 352 N. Prospect St., Ravenna, OH 44266 (330)296-4023
www.hughesmagic.com email-hugmagic@raex.com Write direct as I will be turning off my PM's. |
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Dougini Inner circle The Beautiful State Of Maine 7130 Posts |
Hi guys! May I?
In the thirty plus years I've done silk magic, I now have two hand dye tubes: The Rice Simplex and the Rice Palmo. I wish I could show you the color changing 18" silk with the Palmo! I have tiny hands, and I have NO problem with the Palmo! For ten bucks, it's the best silk gimmick I have! Doug |
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
There are a number of Color Changing Silk Routines out there.
Pat Page Color Changing Silk Routine. Dai Vernon Color Changing Silk Routine for Close-up. Roger Klause Color Changing Silk Routine for Close-up. Ron Wilson Color Changing Silk Routine for Close-up. Bev Taylor Color Changing Silk Routine "Was My Face Red". Ken Brooke's Tom Waterman's / Jack Ledair Sucker Color Changing Silk Routine with additions of Jack Chanin's sleeving. All these suggest a the use of the tape dye tube 2" to 2-1/4" in length and from 7/8" to 1" in diameter. All a 15" to 18" silk, maybe Dai Vernon uses a smaller silk, I have not pulled the book out to double check. I have found with my 15" and 18" silks" will not fit in the standard dye tubes I have which is very close to the above mentioned measurements, and leave any room for the finger hold. Even a 12" silk does not leave the performer feeling confident in preforming the moves necessary. That is why I return to the Palmo for this effect. As for the concerns of Illusion77, I have performed with the Palmo since I was a youngster, and in a lot of performances, people would come up to me and say how skillful my manipulations were, "I did not see a thing" has stuck in my memory as a common response. I never consider Palmo - manipulations, but in a way it might be. I think is more of a finesse and handling along with body movement that seem to develop over time when confidence and relaxation performing the with it enters your comfort zone. Concerning the Camirand Dye Tube Gimmick, I am sorry, but have no experience with is gimmick, have not seen or handled one, only seen the picture on the site. It may work just as well as a standard tape dye tube, I don't know, if it even uses a tape divider. So I would recommend the book by the same name. Written by Gary Ouellet, to get the his suggested handling of the this gimmick, he was a surperior magician. To confuse you further there is also the Joe Porper Dye Tube, again I have not seen or used this, so I cannot comment on its use in performance. Posted: Jul 13, 2012 9:40pm You might be interested in reading this forum on the Roger Klause routine. http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......m=113&11 |
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Just received 2 General Grant Dye Tubes, they are excellent, click on the above forum reference to read more concerning this Tape Dye Tube.
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Whatever dyetube you like, it is the doorway to many custom routines once you start scheming.
Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
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Dougini Inner circle The Beautiful State Of Maine 7130 Posts |
Sadly, the Masked Magician exposed the dye tube for all to see. Got busted last week doing just that, the color change. I don't know how to proceed, so I just dropped the thing from my performance. Obviously I need to come up with a totally different routine, if I want to pursue this gaff further.
Twenty or thirty years ago, this would NEVER have happened. YouTube and The Masked M******-F***** have really made it difficult for me this year. There is just so much you can do with silks. Now I have a Palmo and a Simplex in my magic junk drawer. Really, really saddens me... Doug |
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Dougini, seems you are signaling the names of your tricks in some manner. Most people just do not connect and most people do not watch the MM. I think you have to review your patter or the people you are showing tricks to, or come up with methods to end clean. Ken Brooke describes a routine he devised from Jack Chanin material on sleeving. During several changes he could show both hands empty of any device.
I would imagine if you take that approach you mentioned from the story book, theme your magic. You could also just use a title like the 'Mysterious Scarf, it does mysterious things'. "Watch!" If you never mention the word silk or color change, there is nothing to Google. If none of this is the case, then you are trying to show tricks to the wrong type of person. There are people that just will not be "fooled" and will take it to extremes to show you did not fool "them". Seems for you to know this, you are also talking to them, or having some kind of contact with them. People that confront you, should be avoided as they will usually pursue the issue with you. With these people it is best to use the politician approach. When they want to tell you how you did it, just say, "Thanks, I am glad you enjoyed it." and move on. If they push the subject, just tell them you know how it works, that's how they had the enjoyment of seeing a live performance. Remember they are telling you, to get confirmation, not just to tell you they "actually" know how "you" do your tricks. One of the best moves with the CC Silk is to leave a bit of the silk in device when you steal the device. This leaves nothing but the silk sticking out of the top and bottom of the hand. It is a very good convincer. Usually, there is always one person when doing a show for 300 people, that has to push his or her way back to dressing area and tell you something or want to let you know they where not fooled or how you did a trick. Believe me, do not let one spoil the enjoyment of the other 299 people who enjoyed the experience. |
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Dougini Inner circle The Beautiful State Of Maine 7130 Posts |
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...you are trying to show tricks to the wrong type of person. There are people that just will not be "fooled" and will take it to extremes to show you did not fool "them"...People that confront you, should be avoided as they will usually pursue the issue with you. Bingo! LOL! It's true. Sometimes you don't realize it until it's too late. Showing too many people at once; 15 people around a dining room table - hey, it's a popular place! Big screen TV connected to the internet and YouTube! Imagine that scenario! No - no more magic at their place. One-on-one, maybe. But, again...taking the (willing) spectators into that unknown realm is really the goal. Oh, and I never refer to the effect by its name! I have always thought that was foolish, because you used to be able to pick up any Tannen's or Abbott's catalog and look it up. Now we have the Internet and (spit on the ground) YouTube! You're right, Bill. I appreciate your perspective. You have a vast knowledge and way of thinking about magic I'm sure a LOT of us envy! Doug |
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Dougini Inner circle The Beautiful State Of Maine 7130 Posts |
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On 2012-09-05 20:07, Bob Sanders wrote: I have a little plastic one I got a ways back...I think it's by Tenyo. Two 6 inch silks are perfect for this! This would be a good pocket close-up silk effect. Remember, there is also the Al Baker-type, with the paper tube. You don't see that done much any more. Doug |
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volto Special user 603 Posts |
The Porper dye tube and the Page routine. The Porper tube is *excellent* and the Page routine is simple and very entertaining : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceDCrqPn9yo
Explained in this lecture: http://www.patrickpagemagic.co.uk/index.......uctId=10 |
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yakutyokel2 New user Oregon 5 Posts |
Mr. Hegbli, et al,
Regarding the larger size of tape change tubes: Denny & Lee list the "George Millward Dye Tube" for $30, and it can accommodate larger silks--18"-24". It does not appear to have the tapered end, but I've been wrong before . . . I have not used this tube. |
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bowers Inner circle Oakboro N.C. 7024 Posts |
Duane laflin had a real nice dye tube. but it is no longer for sale.it had no tape in the middle.
todd |
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