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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
Gee, it's really the same scientists disagreeing with global warming now that disagreed with a link between cigarette smoking and lung cancer back in the 60's?? Now that's quite a coincidence!
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Yes and wow they must move like a thousand years old.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Mary Mowder Inner circle Sacramento / Elk Grove, CA 3659 Posts |
I think we know what Bob is saying.
It's Heritage Foundation's Scientists for hire who are saying there is no global warming. If any of their Scientists came to the conclusion that there is global warming and it is caused by man's elevating the green house gasses you can bet they would be sacked on the spot. You can't deny the eerie similarity with the Tobacco "Scientists". The 97% of the Climate Scientists who are not being paid based on their position but for their expertise have come to a different conclusion. I'd rather think nothing was going on and just keep doing what I'm comfortable with as well but that is a cruel thing to do to our Children and the rest of the Life Forms on our (and I don't mean just humans) planet. -Mary Mowder |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2012-07-11 00:55, Mary Mowder wrote: I suspect it's a lot more lucrative to be a climate scientist, and funding sources are exponentially more available, in a world where Global Warming is perceived to be the biggest threat to human civilization in the history of the planet than in a world where it's perceived to be insignificant. The above is not to be construed as a position on Global Warming, but rather on the widespread position that only one side has a basis for bias.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Devious Inner circle 2120 Posts |
Once again, I can't stand it when my friends fight....arghhh!
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
Oh Mary, It must be wonderful to live in your world where all Climate Scientists opinions are only based on their expertise on not on thier access to government grants, and whoever pays 'their' salaries. The only scientists questioning it are all employed by the Heritage Foundation!
Here, how about some data from those highly paid Heritage Foundation scientists from NASA. As Al likes to point out: "It's been a hot year. In fact, the first six months of 2012 accounted for the warmest January-through-June period on record for the contiguous U.S., the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) announced Monday." Aha! Note the phrase, "contiguous U.S." You know how big the contiguous US is? Its area is just 1.5% of the planet's surface. Brazil is bigger. So how did the planet do this year? NASA/GISS has the data, but only through May so far. Here is where 2012 global temperatures stand (Combined Land-Surface Air and Sea-Surface Water). •2nd warmest May. •6th warmest spring (Mar-May). •10th warmest Jan-May. •14th warmest winter (Dec-Feb). •21st warmest January. In fact, every single month of 1998 was warmer than that same month in 2012 so far. |
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Mary Mowder Inner circle Sacramento / Elk Grove, CA 3659 Posts |
LobowolfXXX,
I don't say that your statement is untrue, that both sides could have some monetary reason for their position. In a game of who do you trust I'll go with the 97% because I have a hard time believing that 97% of Climatologist are corrupt. I don't believe that the 97% have chosen their position based on money. Sadly the world is teeming with evidence that supports man-made global warming. -Mary Mowder |
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2012-07-11 01:16, rockwall wrote: Second doesn't impress you? Only beaten (recently) in 2010, btw. But still the warmest globally-averaged land surface temperature and all-time warmest May on record in the Northern Hemisphere. <sarcasm on> Remind me again, how much of the planet's surface is the Northern Hemisphere? <sarcasm off> http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2012/06......isphere/ NOAA has released its “State of the Climate Global Analysis” for May 2012. Here are the highlights: The combined global land and ocean average surface temperature for May 2012 was 0.66°C (1.19°F) above the 20th century average of 14.8°C (58.6°F). This is the second warmest May since records began in 1880, behind only 2010. The Northern Hemisphere land and ocean average surface temperature for May 2012 was the all-time warmest May on record, at 0.85°C (1.53°F) above average. The globally-averaged land surface temperature for May 2012 was the all-time warmest May on record, at 1.21°C (2.18°F) above average.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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R.S. Regular user CT one day I'll have 184 Posts |
OK, well then how about a study funded by the Koch Brothers and reported in the Christian Science Monitor? Surely that report would be welcomed by conservatives, right?
http://www.csmonitor.com/Environment/201......-warming Ron
"It is error only, and not truth, that shrinks from inquiry." Thomas Paine
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Yes and wow they must move like a thousand years old.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Hi balducci,
The periods under examination are too short. The European climate has been cooling for 2000 years. Details here. |
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
Y'all realize that I once had a fellowship with the Heritage Foundation, right? I mean, I don't mind y'all being as critical as you want; but to make the automatic assumption that anything associated with Heritage is automatically too biased to be possibly true is a bit...ah...biased. Do I strike all of you as being the biased type?
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
OMG
97% of the scientific community are lying to us about global warming, and those who oppose it work for the heritage foundation who will say anything they get paid to say. The deniers all believe the 3% which makes perfect sense to me.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2012-07-11 07:57, Woland wrote: You are linking to a paper by Esper et alia. More recently: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/arc......opments/ I am not going to cut and paste that whole article, but the gist of it (see the second half or so of the article) is that other studies cast doubt on Esper's hypotheses.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
Did you know that 100% of magicians DON'T believe in global warming??? OK, so much like the claim of 97% of scientists, my sample size was fairly small. I only sampled myself. But hey, if everyone wants to keep claiming that "97% of scientific community" BS based on the sample sized used, I should be able to continually claim 100% of magicians!
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2012-07-08 10:04, Al Angello wrote: You mean global cooling is a sign of global warming? that's pretty cool, er I mean hot.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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ClintonMagus Inner circle Southwestern Southeast 3997 Posts |
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On 2012-07-11 09:44, acesover wrote: It's now called "Global Climate Change", to accommodate the inconsistency...
Things are more like they are today than they've ever been before...
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
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On 2012-07-11 08:09, stoneunhinged wrote: Well, you also admitted to once considering yourself a conservative so I'm guessing that Bob thinks you just proved his point! |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
I'm just curious...
What's in it for the deniers to argue so vehemently? I mean, climate change isn't the only reason to reduce emissions-so that seems like something that's a good idea whether man-made climate change is real or not. Seriously, does anybody here, on either side, think that air pollution is a good idea?
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Critter-
I think that goes to the heart of the matter. Those who are opposed to all government regulation and in favor of unfettered corporate and big oil profiteering simply seem to believe that pollution control and caring for the environment are communist plots. |
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