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On 2012-07-08 15:24, Al Angello wrote:
You were talking about the predictions for January 2013, and I said that the two previous Winters will be hard to beat.


If you're responding to me, I wasn't talking about the predictions for January 2013.
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Don't worry, life on Earth will do just fine.
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On 2012-07-08 15:18, LobowolfXXX wrote:
But when you're just talking about record temperatures, regardless of time of year, it's ridiculous to be particularly concerned that it's happening during the summer.


Lobo,

Why aren't record summer temperatures worthy of our concern? And what WOULD it take, in your opinion, for us to be concerned?


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I think that anything less than an epidemic of spontaneous human combustion wouldn't be sufficient to convince skeptics of the reality of global warming. (And even then many of them would probably argue that combusting humans is something nature does periodically on her own and has nothing to do with man's activity.)
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I think that anything less than an epidemic of spontaneous human combustion wouldn't be sufficient to convince skeptics of the reality of global warming.


I think you're aiming low.
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When you refer to the "warmest Winters in recorded history," you are referring only to the past 200 years, since thermometers weren't standardized until the XVIIIth century, and even since then, the temperature records are sketchy and skewed towards places where people happen to live. The problem is, we tend to think of the current conditions that we have enjoyed during our brief lifetimes as "normal," "usual," and "desirable," when the whole period of systematic temperature measurement (as poorly standardized as those measurements are) represents a blink of the eye of climate history. There is really no reason to believe that the warm temperatures being recorded in the United States (or the cool temperatures being recorded in Britain) this Summer are anything out of the ordinary at all, oreven anywhere near to the extremes that may have occurred in the past.
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On 2012-07-08 15:18, LobowolfXXX wrote:
But when you're just talking about record temperatures, regardless of time of year, it's ridiculous to be particularly concerned that it's happening during the summer.


Lobo,

Why aren't record summer temperatures worthy of our concern? And what WOULD it take, in your opinion, for us to be concerned?


Ron


I'll try the first half of that. The issue I have isn't about "record summer temperatures." It's about record TEMPERATURES, period. The article said that it's particularly troubling that record TEMPERATURES are being set in the summer. In other words, let's say Loboville's all-time high temperature was 105 degrees, and last week, it hit 106. NOT the all-time "summer" high. The all-time high.

The author is particularly concerned because in July, the earth is at its farthest from the sun. In other words, he'd be LESS concerned if it hit 106 in JANUARY, because the earth is closer to the sun then. That's the part that casts serious doubt on his credibility. When would EXPECT record high temperatures to be set, January, or July?
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I think that anything less than an epidemic of spontaneous human combustion wouldn't be sufficient to convince skeptics of the reality of global warming. (And even then many of them would probably argue that combusting humans is something nature does periodically on her own and has nothing to do with man's activity.)


Please think like a lawyer who hasn't been retained by either side, and comment on this particular phrase:

"What's even more worrying is that, while all these temperature maximums are being set, the earth 94.5 million miles away from the sun, the farthest distance it will be this year, and we are breaking record high temperatures willy-nilly"

Note that per the link, the earth is farthest from the sun in July, and closest to the sun in January. So it's of particular concern that the record temperatures are occurring in July, not January.
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There is no limit to the deniers denying. Thank you Bob I will go watch TV now that we all know who's who and what's what on that subject.
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On 2012-07-08 17:31, Woland wrote:
When you refer to the "warmest Winters in recorded history," you are referring only to the past 200 years, since thermometers weren't standardized until the XVIIIth century, and even since then, the temperature records are sketchy and skewed towards places where people happen to live. The problem is, we tend to think of the current conditions that we have enjoyed during our brief lifetimes as "normal," "usual," and "desirable," when the whole period of systematic temperature measurement (as poorly standardized as those measurements are) represents a blink of the eye of climate history. There is really no reason to believe that the warm temperatures being recorded in the United States (or the cool temperatures being recorded in Britain) this Summer are anything out of the ordinary at all, oreven anywhere near to the extremes that may have occurred in the past.

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On 2012-07-08 19:11, Al Angello wrote:
There is no limit to the deniers denying. Thank you Bob I will go watch TV now that we all know who's who and what's what on that subject.


It's a hot one, Al...you might want to double up on the Kool-Aid while you watch TV.
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On 2012-07-08 17:46, LobowolfXXX wrote:


Please think like a lawyer who hasn't been retained by either side, and comment on this particular phrase:

"What's even more worrying is that, while all these temperature maximums are being set, the earth 94.5 million miles away from the sun, the farthest distance it will be this year, and we are breaking record high temperatures willy-nilly"

Note that per the link, the earth is farthest from the sun in July, and closest to the sun in January. So it's of particular concern that the record temperatures are occurring in July, not January.


That argument loses most of its effect if you stop and consider that whether January is summer or not has a lot to do with which hemisphere you live in. I guess we should look at temperature records set in Australia last January.

That's what you get for asking me to think like a lawyer. Smile
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Heh. Well done!

The argument regains its effect, though, when you look at the maps and read the post and realize that he's talking about North America (and more specifically, the United States).

But my fault for not directing you to an exhibit that had been entered into evidence: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/07/06......-alarmed

So now that you know he's particularly concerned by the fact that it's happening during the summer...
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"So now that you know he's particularly concerned by the fact that it's happening during the summer..."

I think the idea is that it is alarming to see it happening now, because what does that portend for records later in the year (in other parts of the world, when it is summer there) when the sun is closer.
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Oh so that is why its raining. Can't wait for it to come back.
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It sure is odd that when I tell Lobo something he insults me, but when Bob says it Lobo thanks him. Curious very curious.
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On 2012-07-08 21:28, Al Angello wrote:
It sure is odd that when I tell Lobo something he insults me, but when Bob says it Lobo thanks him. Curious very curious.


What's the thing that you and Bob both said where that happened?
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On 2012-07-08 19:49, balducci wrote:
"So now that you know he's particularly concerned by the fact that it's happening during the summer..."

I think the idea is that it is alarming to see it happening now, because what does that portend for records later in the year (in other parts of the world, when it is summer there) when the sun is closer.


Good read, if correct. I hadn't considered that possibility.
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Insulting me just because you deny global warming is not a sign of class.
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In fire-ravaged Colorado, Gov. John Hickenlooper said Sunday that cool, wet weather allowed him to lift the statewide fire ban he ordered last month. The governor gave thanks to Mother Nature for "finally giving us some relief" as extreme fire conditions have abated in all of Colorado's 64 counties.
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