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On 2012-07-11 20:44, LobowolfXXX wrote:
Does anyone think that you do nothing at all about it, and it's a no-brainer?


I think it was more about the "correct way" to deal with it, rather than if it was dealt with at all.
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I don't know what I would do, but I know what I think would happen. Pragmatically speaking- the good of the many and all that jazz. If he's picking multiple kids off then to protect future kids the guy would have to be Dexter'd. I think the parents would probably band together to do it though. And, personally speaking, I doubt any jury would convict them.


Unfortunately a jury WOULD convict them. I've often thought about kicking my neighbors behind (and more) when I saw him playing outside with the daughter of the woman he's dating (the same age of the girl he was convicted of raping). I just have to remind myself that he's not worth going to jail over. I have to pick my battles.

If nothing else, I helped the police catch him by calling them when he was around because he failed to register as a sex offender. It's not much, but it's better than nothing.


If it was guaranteed to protect her, and stop him ft hurting anyone else, I'd sayit IS worth it.


And what would be gained by taking the law into my own hands? It's a crappy tradeoff when one bad guy get's off the street and one good guy ends up in jail. A lot more can be done by people being aware of the people around them and letting other's know so they can protect their kids. Almost none of my neighbors even knew about the sex offender registry until I went door to door and put up flyers. Don't get me wrong. I didn't single that guy out. That would be wrong. I just made people aware that there is such a registry.


So sacrificing your time to save children is a crappy trade off? I'm not saying it's the ideal thing to do, just they IFF it was guaranteed to protect her and further children, I, personally, think it would be worth going to jail for assault.

Obviously it wouldn't stop him, but in this hypothetical, this is what I say.

Keep in mind, I also boarder on being a pacifist, so the chances of me actually initiating any kind of force against another is pretty much zero.
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I think I would try to kill him. Really.


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I guess that since we are a Nation of laws, and I believe in the law, I would do whatever I could to change that law. But honestly, it nearly impossible to really answer that question. I truly don't know.


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On 2012-07-11 20:44, Steve_Mollett wrote:
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I think I would try to kill him. Really.


That was my initial reaction. And since this is such an extreme example, maybe I would. But then again we have laws right now that allow, as I see it, for the killing of babies. And while I find it extremely distasteful in almost every case, I haven't gone to any extremes to stop it as some people have. And I don't condone it when people do go to those extremes.

I guess that since we are a Nation of laws, and I believe in the law, I would do whatever I could to change that law. But honestly, it nearly impossible to really answer that question. I truly don't know.

Okay, so this is just a thinly-disguised anti-abortion appeal.


So what side is anti-abortion? I was just talking about my neighbor. As far as abortion goes though, I'm pro-choice, but I had no agenda here.
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Is it usual that you can get the specifics of the offence with regards to a registered sex offender.
I know that there are plenty of people who's lives are ruined by being registered as "sex offenders," connotatively labelling pedophiles and rapists, for completely innocuous acts.

Of course I think you should be completely free to make it as known as possible what the guy did.
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On 2012-07-11 19:19, LobowolfXXX wrote:
Let's say a guy lives not in your immediate neighborhood, but pretty close.... he goes out on his balcony with a high-powered rifle and picks off the occasional random kid at a distance. ...

What, if anything, would you do?


Had to think about it for about a minute - especially after reading the posts that followed.

IMHO you've a few answers that you (and your community) need in your own text.

Here's one of them: zoning laws - applied to the opposite of the bookstore in you've got mail.
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Is it usual that you can get the specifics of the offence with regards to a registered sex offender.
I know that there are plenty of people who's lives are ruined by being registered as "sex offenders," connotatively labelling pedophiles and rapists, for completely innocuous acts.

Of course I think you should be completely free to make it as known as possible what the guy did.


Some people are labeled as sex offenders for stupid reasons. That's why I'm opposed to a lynch mob mentality. This person however, is a man in his 40's convicted of raping a child under 8 years old and served several years in prison.

There's a big difference.
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Is it usual that you can get the specifics of the offence with regards to a registered sex offender.
I know that there are plenty of people who's lives are ruined by being registered as "sex offenders," connotatively labelling pedophiles and rapists, for completely innocuous acts.

Of course I think you should be completely free to make it as known as possible what the guy did.


Some people are labeled as sex offenders for stupid reasons. That's why I'm opposed to a lynch mob mentality. This person however, is a man in his 40's convicted of raping a child under 8 years old and served several years in prison.

There's a big difference.

I completely agree.
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Let's say a guy lives not in your immediate neighborhood, but pretty close. Like, 10 miles away. And due to a legal loophole, he's allowed to murder children under the age of 10, as long as he does so from his own home. I know, I know, but play along. Like, in the 1700s, there was a state law that was around for a day that said you could kill anyone under the age of 10. The next day, it was repealed everywhere but in this particular city, nobody noticed until 1960, then they repealed it in this city, too, but he's the only resident who lived there in 1960, so somehow he's grandfathered in. Like, he killed a few kids (nobody you know), they called the cops, he called his lawyer, and the cops concluded there's nothing they could do about it. As long as does it from his own property, he's above the law. So every couple of weeks, he goes out on his balcony with a high-powered rifle and picks off the occasional random kid at a distance. He's going to continue to do so, and the cops legally can't, and won't, do anything about it.

He's never killed anyone you know, or anyone related to anyone you know, or any friend of anyone you know.

What, if anything, would you do?

I'm not sure I would have to do anything except sign a petition demanding that action be taken, because if it was truly as cut and dried as you portray it the politicians left and right would do SOMETHING to put him away or take away his grandfathered right.
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Let's say a guy lives not in your immediate neighborhood, but pretty close. Like, 10 miles away. And due to a legal loophole, he's allowed to murder children under the age of 10, as long as he does so from his own home. I know, I know, but play along. Like, in the 1700s, there was a state law that was around for a day that said you could kill anyone under the age of 10. The next day, it was repealed everywhere but in this particular city, nobody noticed until 1960, then they repealed it in this city, too, but he's the only resident who lived there in 1960, so somehow he's grandfathered in. Like, he killed a few kids (nobody you know), they called the cops, he called his lawyer, and the cops concluded there's nothing they could do about it. As long as does it from his own property, he's above the law. So every couple of weeks, he goes out on his balcony with a high-powered rifle and picks off the occasional random kid at a distance. He's going to continue to do so, and the cops legally can't, and won't, do anything about it.

He's never killed anyone you know, or anyone related to anyone you know, or any friend of anyone you know.

What, if anything, would you do?

I'm not sure I would have to do anything except sign a petition demanding that action be taken, because if it was truly as cut and dried as you portray it the politicians left and right would do SOMETHING to put him away or take away his grandfathered right.


It's already been to the Supreme Court, and they unanimously ruled in his favor.
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Okay, so this is just a thinly-disguised anti-abortion appeal.

I was going to go with a disguised appeal to do something about illegal immigration. Smile
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Let's say a guy lives not in your immediate neighborhood, but pretty close. Like, 10 miles away. And due to a legal loophole, he's allowed to murder children under the age of 10, as long as he does so from his own home. I know, I know, but play along. Like, in the 1700s, there was a state law that was around for a day that said you could kill anyone under the age of 10. The next day, it was repealed everywhere but in this particular city, nobody noticed until 1960, then they repealed it in this city, too, but he's the only resident who lived there in 1960, so somehow he's grandfathered in. Like, he killed a few kids (nobody you know), they called the cops, he called his lawyer, and the cops concluded there's nothing they could do about it. As long as does it from his own property, he's above the law. So every couple of weeks, he goes out on his balcony with a high-powered rifle and picks off the occasional random kid at a distance. He's going to continue to do so, and the cops legally can't, and won't, do anything about it.

He's never killed anyone you know, or anyone related to anyone you know, or any friend of anyone you know.

What, if anything, would you do?

I'm not sure I would have to do anything except sign a petition demanding that action be taken, because if it was truly as cut and dried as you portray it the politicians left and right would do SOMETHING to put him away or take away his grandfathered right.


It's already been to the Supreme Court, and they unanimously ruled in his favor.


When the Supreme Court rules, game over. I don't recall a case like that being tried in the Supreme Court lately though. Do you have a case #?
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Again, the premise seems like a thinly veiled anti-abortion metaphor.
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Again, the premise seems like a thinly veiled anti-abortion metaphor.


And yet (as I've noted many times in NVMS) I'm pro-choice. You're extremely warm, though.
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On 2012-07-11 23:26, mastermindreader wrote:
Again, the premise seems like a thinly veiled anti-abortion metaphor.


Bob, please fill me in. I honestly don't see how this topic fits in with either side of the abortion issue. Tell me what I'm missing.
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Again, the premise seems like a thinly veiled anti-abortion metaphor.


And yet (as I've noted many times in NVMS) I'm pro-choice. You're extremely warm, though.


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I'm all for the Asian youths. As long as they don't get sick and have to be put to sleep.
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Again, the premise seems like a thinly veiled anti-abortion metaphor.


And yet (as I've noted many times in NVMS) I'm pro-choice. You're extremely warm, though.


I know. That part has me puzzled.

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How in the name of God could the children get into the "Kill Zone" of this individual? Quite a bit of responsibility would have to fall on the parents and the community. By the way the guy is a nut case obviously.
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How in the name of God could the children get into the "Kill Zone" of this individual?

The children shouldn't have been in the area. It was clear that it was a Kill Zone had they been paying attention.
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