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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2012-07-19 11:58, LobowolfXXX wrote: I don't know if this is a late April Fool's Day joke or something, but you do realize that *you* were the one constantly bringing up sports analogies when you thought they were "proving" your point. So, just to clarify, it's your position that the military warrior competition doesn't tell us anything about combat fitness, but we can learn a lot from professional tennis? Sometimes LOL doesn't say it. Quote: On 2012-07-19 01:26, acesover wrote:
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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acesover wrote: Easily the most ridiculous misstatement of my opinions that I have ever read. Congratulations. |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
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On 2012-07-19 12:02, Marlin1894 wrote: So now it's back to the sexuality argument...
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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Marlin1894 Special user 559 Posts |
Not to denegrate Sgt. Gallagher, it's a big deal what she did. But I do think that competition is a bit silly. If I thought for one minute that she was the finest "warrior" this country has to offer... I'd be downright frightened. I know that's probably an unpopular thing to say... But I'm saying anyhow.
I will make allowances that that's an Army competition. Maybe she is the best the Armys got. I'm still on team USMC. |
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Marlin1894 Special user 559 Posts |
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On 2012-07-19 12:08, critter wrote: Hello! |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2012-07-19 02:24, mastermindreader wrote: You seem to like to pick out specifics to prove a general point such as tthat lady softball pitcher. Well let me pickout a specific also...of course mine will be a man but lets matach them aganist each other as we have the best of both whereas you pick the best to pit aganist the norm. Better to compare apples to apples thanthe way you do it. The greatest softball player to have lived. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Feigner
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2012-07-19 12:06, mastermindreader wrote: I have no idea what the most ridiculous misstatement of one of my positions was, but I know who made it (and the other 9 on the top 10 list).
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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Women now make up 14.6 percent of the US military. Since 2001, more than 255,000 women have been deployed to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, where more than 120 have been killed and almost 700 wounded. Many women have earned combat awards for valor – including two Silver Stars. Women are killing the enemy, saving lives, and showing great bravery and valor in combat conditions. They are also crucial for searching local women and children for weapons at checkpoints and during raids, and engaging with the female population as part of counterinsurgency strategy. Complete article can be read at http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opin......n-combat |
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Marlin1894 Special user 559 Posts |
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On 2012-07-19 12:14, acesover wrote: Now this is threadworthy in itself and probably worth derailing this thread entirely. I LOVED the King and his Court! |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2012-07-19 12:06, mastermindreader wrote: Bob not misstating your opoinions . I am only stating what is in the contest, and just telling you how this contest is judged is kind of silly. If you use the criteria in this contest I am only pointing how useless much of it is and yet the winner is called the best or whatever warrior..
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2012-07-19 12:14, acesover wrote: What you seem to fail to realize (or at least do a remarkable job of failing to acknowledge) is that neither Bob, nor I, nor anyone disagreeing with you here is making a "general point." In fact, it's quite the reverse. It is you who is using generalities to try to make a specific point. Nobody is saying that men and women, as groups, are equally physically capable. What some of us is saying is that even if 99,995 of the 100,000 most capable are men, if you pick a unit of 100,000 and exclude women, you won't have the most capable out there. In fact, you'll have exactly what you are deriding - a unit in which some subpar members (the bottom 5) were selected because of their sex, not their qualifications.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Either acesover is intentionally misstating my position or he simply doesn't understand it. I am using specifics to demonstrate that generalities do NOT apply to ALL people. He is the one speaking in generalities and ignoring or dismissing any and all examples that prove that his generalities do not ALWAYS apply.
As to him misstating my position, I wish he would point out where I said anything as inane as: Quote:
You may think differently and when being attacked you can quote the US constitution to the enemy and counsel him, maybe pass on some anger management ideas to calm him down. That should work. Bang your dead and so is your bud, you just bought the farm. You feel you are correct and that is all that matters. So be it. Sorry, but that is absolutely ridiculous and false. I think that it is HE who feels that his being correct is all that matters- even if it means misstating my positions and attacking straw men. |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2012-07-19 12:22, LobowolfXXX wrote: In your hypothetical example of 100,000 and 99,995 you seem to believe that a 1 out of 20,000 makes a difference. There comes a point when the law of diminishing returns come into play when making decisions. How did you decide that 5 of these women out of the thousands upon thousands that apply are more apt to be more qualified? Are you saying that we should test let us say 15,000 women to find 1 or 2 or 3 that is qualified? Because remember all of the applicants have the possibility of being on the front line. Lets be realistic here we are picking 100,000 combatants and you feel we shoud now try and find 5 women who are better fit then the least 5 combat ready males. If this is your theory you definitely belong in government because I cannot think of a more frivilous way to waste taxpayer money than your theory. Just pick the 100,000 men and be right 99,995 times out of 100,000 but leave out of the equation the 15,000 women applicants. There are many positions that they are more than capable of serving in. Why cause anxeity among the troops as they aleady have enough to worry about when heding into a combat situation without throwing women into the mix. I am not saying that they are not willing to give their all. I am saying that for the most part a male is going to be more qualified (odds) and other males are going to be more at ease with a male for backing him up.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
If you're in factor of sacrificing quality for arbitrary gender quotas, it's ok...you have lots of company. I just wouldn't have expected it from you.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
Just saw a political commercial.....we can outsource our military.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
I am fascinated by the reference to combat troops as being those "on the front lines." In most of today's combat situations there is no such thing. In places like Afghanistan and Iraq the are/were no real front lines. And as the Christian Science Monitor article I referenced earlier made clear, there are situations in such combat theaters of operations where women play vital roles in de facto combat assignments.
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2012-07-19 12:32, mastermindreader wrote: Don't bring into play the straw man. I am not mistating your position at all. Your position is that women are as capable as men in a combat situation. Read the first page of your comments. I amnot making it up. I will admit you sort of, and I say sort of, hedge what you say becausse you use the word qualify...but then go on to talk about fire fighters and such and we all know the qualifications are reduced for them. You also state that I believe it is your daughter is as capable as any man in the Navy or on the same ship which leads one to believe that either she is exceptional (and all of my daughters are exceptional in my eyes ) or you ae trying to prove that women in general are as competent in rigorous tasks as men. Well it isn't so. So I am in no way mistating your position.
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2012-07-19 13:25, mastermindreader wrote: I can finally agree with what you are sayng here as most of my position has been from Nam. The conflicts now are quite different. This does give pause.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
What do you mean you are not misstating my position? Did you even read what you wrote and what I am specifically referring to? Here, I'll quote you AGAIN:
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You may think differently and when being attacked you can quote the US constitution to the enemy and counsel him, maybe pass on some anger management ideas to calm him down. That should work. Bang your dead and so is your bud, you just bought the farm. You feel you are correct and that is all that matters. So be it. THAT IS NOT MY POSITION. IT IS A STRAW MAN. I can only conclude that you are being intentionally obtuse. |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2012-07-19 13:25, acesover wrote: Ok, this has been an interesting thread, but clearly this statement reveals that it's been a gag. Great joke!!
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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