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Acesover-

You're the one who started the thread. I gave my honest answer. Sorry you feel the need to call anyone who disagrees with you "ridiculous."

If you don't want honest answers, why did you bother starting the thread? Just so you could ridicule those who disagree with you?

Sorry, I gave up childish games a long time ago.
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On 2012-07-14 22:44, mastermindreader wrote:
Acesover-

You're the one who started the thread. I gave my honest answer. Sorry you feel the need to call anyone who disagrees with you "ridiculous."

If you don't want honest answers, why did you bother starting the thread? Just so you could ridicule those who disagree with you?

Sorry, I gave up childish games a long time ago.


No reason to feel sorry. You sound like a girl. Smile This is nothing but an internet forum. Jeeez!

By the way nice change of gears with your last post. Childish games...like these discussions really mean something. You better get a life and top feeling sorry. These threads are nothing more than opinions, but some common sense should be used when forming opinions and when wrong people should own up to it. This time your wrong, common sense says so.

Honest answers would be fine. Opinions not so much. You gave your opinion not an honest answer. While you may believe it, which I fiind hard to believe you are wrong. Twist it anyway you want. Knock yourself out. Just ask yourself what would you prefer., 10 combat ready men or 10 combat ready females to help you survive in the jungle with 20 or 30 individuals trying to kill you? Now give your honest answer.

Someone who disagrees with me is not necessairly ridiculous, just some of thier opinions some of the time. Smile Some times I may be considered ridiculous to others. So be it. However not this time. If you feel females are on an equal plain with males when trained for combat, good for you. I happen to disagree and so have countless countries and armies throughout history. To bad you weren't there to advise them and tell them they were wrong. They could have increased the size and power of their armies had you been there and went on to be victorious. Well if they read your comments here they will be ready next time. Sarcasm Smile

By the way youi also posted this:If you don't want honest answers, why did you bother starting the thread? Just so you could ridicule those who disagree with you?

READ MY ORIGINAL POST. I did not start anything.
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The threshold isn't that as a whole they're on "equal footing," but it's an impressive use of staging and misdirection, even by magic forum standards.
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READ MY ORIGINAL POST. I did not start anything.
I seems like about the 6th poster threw a bunch at the fan and started it.
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On 2012-07-14 22:16, LobowolfXXX wrote:
I think that if we can't agree that *some* women are more capable than *some* men in combat situations, than nothing can be agreed upon.


I would definitely agree with that. Some being the key word.

Finding them is the fly in the ointment and if you think about it, is it worth it? Or do you go with the overwhelming odds of getting it right with an all man combat infantry and have the right mix 99.9999% of the time.

Seriously do you think you could put together a batallion of competent combat ready females? I mean you are talking about assembling around 400 to a 1,000 combat capable females. When I say capable I mean capable of doing a mans job in the infantry.
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Whatever.
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Some news for all of my friends here who are former sailors:

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The U.S. Navy's new class of carriers will be the first to go without urinals, a decision made in part to give the service flexibility in accommodating female sailors, the Navy says.

The change heralded by the Gerald R. Ford class of carriers – starting with the namesake carrier due in late 2015 – is one of a number of new features meant to improve sailors' quality of life and reduce maintenance costs, Capt. Chris Meyer said Wednesday.

Omitting urinals lets the Navy easily switch the designation of any restroom – or head, in naval parlance – from male to female, or vice versa, helping the ship adapt to changing crew compositions over time, Meyer said.


As Cicero said . . . .
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Actually, that's not a bad idea. It should also be implemented on the smaller ships. And, as a former sailor, I can tell you that just being able to change the designations of the heads isn't the only good reason.

Did you ever try to pee standing up on a rolling ship? Not a wise idea in the first place.

That said, how many of you have urinals in your homes? None? Didn't think so.
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I think Tom Hanks had one. There was a flurry of news stories in the New York Times about a new trend in home bathroom design. Must have been 10 years ago.
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I think Tom Hanks had one. There was a flurry of news stories in the New York Times about a new trend in home bathroom design. Must have been 10 years ago.


Doesn't look like that "new trend" ever went anywhere.
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Wish that were true with almost all of them!
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Agreed. (We're probably thinking about different trends, but its good for me to be agreeable once in a while. Smile )
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On 1,000s of topics, Bob, we would be perfectly in agreement. But it would be boring, to us and to others, to agree all the time.
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This is true.
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On 2012-07-15 21:43, Woland wrote:
Some news for all of my friends here who are former sailors:

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The U.S. Navy's new class of carriers will be the first to go without urinals, a decision made in part to give the service flexibility in accommodating female sailors, the Navy says.

The change heralded by the Gerald R. Ford class of carriers – starting with the namesake carrier due in late 2015 – is one of a number of new features meant to improve sailors' quality of life and reduce maintenance costs, Capt. Chris Meyer said Wednesday.

Omitting urinals lets the Navy easily switch the designation of any restroom – or head, in naval parlance – from male to female, or vice versa, helping the ship adapt to changing crew compositions over time, Meyer said.


As Cicero said . . . .


Just be sure to put the seat back down or all he)) will break loose! Smile
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I don't know how the Marine corps works, considering that the Army and the Marine Corps supply the only infantry units in the U.S. Military, but in the Army, everyone receives basic infantry training in basic training. They learn to shoot, move and communicate as well as other combat oriented tasks. After basic training, the recruit goes to their AIT, Advanced Individual Training, which they enlisted for at the recruiters office. If one enlists to be a helicopter turbine repair specialist then they go to learn that trade or MOS (Military Occupational Specialty) . If one enlists in Armor and cavalry then they go to learn that MOS. If they enlist to be a cook they go to learn that MOS. If they enlist for Infantry, they go on to learn advanced infantry skills. In order to qualify for whatever MOS the recruiters evaluate the potential recruits with a variety of tests to see if they qualify for that MOS or identify the MOS for which they are best suited. These tests are pretty accurate. I don't know why the civilian world does not use them. So, if a female is suited for the infantry then they will be identified as such in the assessment testing. If not, then these are the MOS fields what are open.

Could a woman be infantry material? I've met a few. The question as raised, is what will be the psychological, emotional and physical impact with the integration? The guys in combat arms units are high strung as the pressure is kept very high. They are notoriously male chauvonistic and, at times, brutal. If one does not fit in, or viewed as a weak link then they are weeded out.

It should also be noted that women are already able to become airborne and air assault qualified and many are. However, unlike Ranger or Special Forces schools, Airborne and Air Assault schools do not teach advanced training in any MOS they just teach you how to not kill yourself when you jump out of a helicopter or airplane.

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. . . they just teach you how to not kill yourself when you jump out of a helicopter or airplane.

Which is, admittedly, a valuable skill to have mastered (should you find yourself jumping out of a helicopter or airplane).
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On 2012-07-14 08:02, Steve_Mollett wrote:
I know some women in SCA who are quite lethal with a broadsword.


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I don't have ground experience in combat.
I served as a Flight Tech.
To be honest I would not want a female counterpart even if she was capable.
Straight Up this is Old School prejudice.

I don't think ALL women, have the ability think in the terms needed to outright fight in combative situations.
Those who have been in actual ground, hand to hand, face to face, combat know what it takes.
Civi's have no clue, they fantasize about war etc through the media given to them.

Pencil pushers, and Techs like me,
we can only speculate as to the struggles and horrors,
because we saw the effects of our Brothers in the field,
and our Sisters in support roles.

I do/will always support a women's right to chose,
and if she wants to try, I say let them.
Who cares, it's who ever wins in the end.
I say take a clue from the current enemy,
they use their women in subversive roles, we can/should to.
When it comes to the safety of the people in this current situation,
we need everyone in sight, and undercover.
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The other thing to think about here is how will society act? Saying you support women's rights and a woman's right to serve in the military and then to serve in a combat unit, especially, a front line unit is one thing. Actually assigning them and watching what happens is another.

Remember Somalia? The Battle of Mogodishu? Images and videos were plastered all over the internet, the news and print media of a dead and naked male soldier being drug through the streets. People were outraged. What happens when it is a woman, who was killed and stripped naked and drug through the streets? People were aghast to see women in support units come home with missing limbs. If they are infantry, then those numbers will be even greater.

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