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On 2012-07-14 21:43, acesover wrote:

You seemed to shy away from the question I asked how would their male counterparts feel about being supported in a life and death situation by females. What would your choice be?



The answer is obvious really.

In a life and death situation?

Their male counterparts would love the support of anyone, male, female or dog even, if the dog could fire a gun.

It is hard enough to find anyone who will risk their lives for others, in combat and capable to do so, yet you want to turn them down?

This is not the UFC. You're the one watching too many Rambo Movies.

If eleven year old Vietcongs and Taliban kids can kill professionally trained soldiers, anyone can be lethal.

Hence my broadsword reference. Sarcasm btw that...

Again, I say, women in the police force have it worse on a daily basis imho...
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On 2012-07-17 15:48, Pakar Ilusi wrote:

If eleven year old Vietcongs and Taliban kids can kill professionally trained soldiers, anyone can be lethal.


The big reason for this is psychological. Those that employ children to do their dirty work know how the majority of the world feels about children and they exploit that psychological weakness. With a woman's nurturing instincts, one could reason that this weakness could be exploited at a really magnified level. As a police officer, I've seen it.

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On 2012-07-17 15:48, Pakar Ilusi wrote:

If eleven year old Vietcongs and Taliban kids can kill professionally trained soldiers, anyone can be lethal.


The big reason for this is psychological. Those that employ children to do their dirty work know how the majority of the world feels about children and they exploit that psychological weakness. With a woman's nurturing instincts, one could reason that this weakness could be exploited at a really magnified level. As a police officer, I've seen it.

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If it can be exploited then exploit it to kill the enemy.
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Nevermind, that was crass humor and I don't want anyone taking it wrong.
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On 2012-07-17 16:05, Pakar Ilusi wrote:
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On 2012-07-17 15:48, Pakar Ilusi wrote:

If eleven year old Vietcongs and Taliban kids can kill professionally trained soldiers, anyone can be lethal.


The big reason for this is psychological. Those that employ children to do their dirty work know how the majority of the world feels about children and they exploit that psychological weakness. With a woman's nurturing instincts, one could reason that this weakness could be exploited at a really magnified level. As a police officer, I've seen it.

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If it can be exploited then exploit it to kill the enemy.


That's easy to say, however; people really don't have the stomach for the way warfare is supposed to work. If we really waged war the way it should be fought, in theory, there would be much less war. But, in actuality, we just try to civilize it by making laws and establishing boundaries on who, when, what, where, why and how we are to kill. Very few can stomach total war.

Once children are brought into the mix, then it doesn't matter if they were the aggressors, once someone kills a child then they are automatically viewed as the aggressor. It is a no win situation and those that employ children know that. The world may castigate them for using children, but they will go after the defending party with equal venom. No matter how much the world may deplore those using children, they will hate those defending themselves even more so; sympathies will quickly change side.

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Remember Somalia? The Battle of Mogodishu?


Where have you gone, Dr. DeGenova? Our nation turns its lonely eyes to you...
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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Dreadnought, I meant exploit the women's strength at protecting their children to kill the enemy.

Not use children in war.
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On 2012-07-17 15:36, Dreadnought wrote:
Remember Somalia? The Battle of Mogodishu?


Where have you gone, Dr. DeGenova? Our nation turns its lonely eyes to you...


I had forgotten all about him.
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On 2012-07-17 15:36, Dreadnought wrote:
Remember Somalia? The Battle of Mogodishu?


Where have you gone, Dr. DeGenova? Our nation turns its lonely eyes to you...


I had forgotten all about him.


I apologize for reminding you.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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And you think my views are drastic.

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On 2012-07-14 21:43, acesover wrote:

You seemed to shy away from the question I asked how would their male counterparts feel about being supported in a life and death situation by females. What would your choice be?



The answer is obvious really.

In a life and death situation?

Their male counterparts would love the support of anyone, male, female or dog even, if the dog could fire a gun.

It is hard enough to find anyone who will risk their lives for others, in combat and capable to do so, yet you want to turn them down?

This is not the UFC. You're the one watching too many Rambo Movies.

If eleven year old Vietcongs and Taliban kids can kill professionally trained soldiers, anyone can be lethal.

Hence my broadsword reference. Sarcasm btw that...

Again, I say, women in the police force have it worse on a daily basis imho...


You are posting about something you know nothing about nor have ever experienced (If eleven year old Vietcongs and Taliban kids can kill professionally trained soldiers) so I would say to you keep you rmouth shut as you have no idea how the children were used and how they killed or how they were killed. Don't go there you know nothing about it. You may think you know because you read something but you don't. If you did you would not compare those children with fighting forces. Please keep quiet about this as I will say again you don't know what you are talking about. I will just say that it has been a perfect description of "Mans inhumanity to man" as one could ever imagine. Just to end here do you believe the eleven year old Vietcongs as you call them were trained? Or were they just used? Think about it.


Your response to the question I asked does not in any way answer the question: Your answer was: Their male counterparts would love the support of anyone, male, female or dog even, if the dog could fire a gun. That comment shows your total ignorance of a soldier's mind set. He does not invite more casuaties just to have company when he dies. He is looking for help that will stop him from being killed. He is not looking for more victims which it seems you think is the answer. The VC have already done that with women and children and it is not a pretty sight. He does not need more casualties. More bodies is not the answer. Capable support is what is needed. It wil be found by capable trained and physcially and mentally strong males. Sorry if this sounds sexist. I have been there and while I am sure the females have great intentions they are not enough.

Endurance, stamina, fatigue, mind set, do these mean anything to you? It was stated before if women are as capable as you believe them to be where are they in Sports such as Baseball and football. They do not pit males aganist females in sports. Reason being the male is superior, that is not sexist that is just fact.
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"Just to end here do you believe the eleven year old Vietcongs as you call them were trained? Or were they just used?"

If they were just "used" rather than "trained" as you put it, then wouldn't they have been even more fearsome / deadly had they been trained?
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On 2012-07-18 02:13, acesover wrote:
You may think you know because you read something but you don't.


Aces, you've gotten real wild in this thread. Calm down. Pakar is just about the nicest, friendliest guy in this forum and you're going after him as if he's mentally retarded when he clearly is not.

I quoted the above statement because it is perhaps the most ignorant thing you have ever said. If reading doesn't count as knowledge then I must be about the stupidest guy on the planet, because most of what I know comes from reading.

The rest of what I know--the stuff that comes from life experience--makes me perfectly capable of empathy. I've suffered enough loss through cancer that I have no need to have cancer myself to know how horrible it is.

Not a single thing Pakar has said is worthy of the viciousness with which you are treating him. Back off, dude.

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Acesover, those that are actually arguing with you on here are not even close to being capable of really understanding the role of a warrior in combat. To even think that a child could be even more "fearsome or deadly" is outright laughable.

Those who have not served have no idea. They think they know what courage, honor and committment means but they cant really grasp it.

Only two people really understand, fellow combat Veterans and the enemy, everyone else is merely speculating.
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Yet another one of those, "if you don't know something as well as I do, you don't know anything at all" posts.

If we are all as ignorant as is suggested here, then why ought we have any respect whatsoever for veterans? If we can't understand at all, then don't bother to ask for our support.

I've never been a firefighter, but I admire firefighters. I didn't cry about 9/11 until I saw a picture in the newspaper of George Bush with his arm around a firefighter. Then I broke down and cried. My heart was filled with admiration for their courage, honor and commitment. We lost 343 heroes on that day.

I'm not sure how many of them were combat Veterans. Probably none of them. They were heroes, nonetheless.
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I didn't say you should not have respect for those who served in combat roles. I just stated that if you had not served in a combat role, you really don't know and probably wont understand what Acesover was saying.

I respect Firefighters too, but I wouldnt begin to suggest how they should do their job or more improtantly , I wouldnt suggest that they should allow people to do the job that could cause casualties. So I probably wouldnt argue with a Firefighter about those issues.
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On 2012-07-18 06:09, rowdymagi5 wrote:

Acesover, those that are actually arguing with you on here are not even close to being capable of really understanding the role of a warrior in combat. To even think that a child could be even more "fearsome or deadly" is outright laughable.

My point was that someone WITH training as a soldier and trained how to kill would be more "fearsome or deadly" than that same someone would be without training.

You really disagree with that?
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On 2012-07-18 06:09, rowdymagi5 wrote:

Acesover, those that are actually arguing with you on here are not even close to being capable of really understanding the role of a warrior in combat. To even think that a child could be even more "fearsome or deadly" is outright laughable.

My point was that someone WITH training as a soldier and trained how to kill would be more "fearsome or deadly" than that same someone would be without training.

You really disagree with that?




No, I misread yor statement, I agree.
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"Just to end here do you believe the eleven year old Vietcongs as you call them were trained? Or were they just used?"

If they were just "used" rather than "trained" as you put it, then wouldn't they have been even more fearsome / deadly had they been trained?


Do you know how they were used? Or are you just trying to make a point that 11 year olds are competent soldiers? Let me put it another way. They are sent to the slaughter and if one can distracat and or immoblize a combatant while being slaughtered they have served their purpose. That is a great plan. Invest your 11 year old.
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