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Using Kennedy Half Dollar, I'm trying to compare the Triception Coin Set to the NG Flipper and Double Deception 2.

I prefer using gimmick coins that look normal and that make me look more talented them I really am, since I'm no expert at sleight of hand and only do magic socially as a hobby nowadays.

With Triception, I specifically love the 1 coin to 2 coin visual appearance & disappearance in the palm of the hand and the coin through card into glass effects.

With the NG Flipper, I specifically love having a flipper coin that will lay flat and which can easily re-set during a routine for doing effects such as coins through table. I own a non-gravity flipper half that doesn't give me either of these capabilities.

With Double Deception 2, I specifically love the coin thru silk effect and the Commercial Matrix coin transposition effect, although I would rather use gaffed coins that allow you to easily do a matrix routine without cards since I prefer using less props.

Can the gimmick coins for any of these routines be examined before or afterwards, or do they all require that you first switch them out for real coins?

Keeping all my preferences in mind, can anyone recommend the best solution for me among the options I'm considering? Thanks in advance!
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For all of the gimmick coins and routines above.
you will not be able to hand the coins out.
except maybe the magnetic flipper in the double deception set.
a general rule of thumb.a repeatable coin trick usally can't be handed out.
a non repeatable trick can because of its locking charactistics.
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Gm, if you don’t learn sleight of hand and the only "coin magic" you perform is with gimmicked coins, at best you will look like someone who has a few trick coins. Most here are hobbyists who don’t perform except in situations similar to what you described. Not saying you need to devote your life to it, but it would help you a great deal to at least learn and become proficient at the basics, the foundation moves.

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Jim,

Your point is well taken, and I couldn't agree more. To be perfectly honest, I'm actually not giving myself enough credit here. Truth be known, I've been doing most these routines like the matrix transposition for the past 30 years using zero gimmicks and nothing but sleight of hand. And while I'm shifting more of my time to doing magic as a hobby so I can spend more time with my 4 and 5 year old son & daughter, it will still always be a passion and lifelong devotion for me since I love it and get paid to do 1-3 shows every weekend.

Unfortunately, a few years back, I severed most the nerves in my left hand from a freakish accident when a glass juice bottle broke that I was holding at the time when I fell down some stairs. Now I have no feeling in most of my left palm. I refused to give up on the sleight of hand and learned to compensate when necessary by relying more on my right hand and trusting my instincts with my left hand even while I had no feeling.

But as I've gotten wiser with age, I now realize that if I acquire some professional quality gaffed coins and combine it with the skills I've already mastered, then it will allow me to focus less on hand dexterity and more on showmanship for an overall better routine. And I never perform any routine for anyone until I can consistently fool myself in front of a mirror and know every safe angle. So I'm confident that nobody will ever know I'm using trick coins even if I go that route (other then fellow magicians).

All that said, the main thing I wasn't clear about is whether there is any redundancy between the coin sets I'm evaluating. If I drop $200 on Triception, I would hate to spend another $200 on Double Deception 2 and/or a NG Flipper coin, only to discover that I could have done every routine I'm interested in with the coins provided in just one of these products. That is why I was seeking feedback. I made some misleading comments only because I wanted to limit the feedback to the gaffed coins I was considering.

Regards,

Gary
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Sorry to hear about your hand injury Gary. Good to know that you do have some chops then. I have personally seem too many folks just starting out with coins who claim they don’t want to learn any SOH; just use some gimmicks. Naturally they don’t often do well that way.

I have a Triception set and I have an older Double Deception - not the one with the NG gravity flipper. However I believe that you could use the Triception to perform any of the three routines that are taught with DD. The only difference with mine would be the NGF vs. regular flipper of my DD set, but since DD2 has the new-style flipper they should work the same. Exactly the same, really.

Hopefully someone who owns both can confirm this.

Be well.

Jim
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Can the Triception coins be examined after the routine since they're magnetic, or do you still need to switch them out if necessary? I assume that the NG Flipper coin is non-magnetic, which would be a distinct difference with its own restrictions and benefits.
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You cannot examine the Triception set as it is only a complete locked set when the shell is over the flipper. If the shell isn't on it their functions as a normal gravity flipper.
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So is there still any benefit to investing in a separate non-magnetic NG gravity Flipper coin even if I buy the Triception coin set?
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I'd probably just buy an ungimmicked shell. That way you have the choice. To magnetise or not to magnetise, that is the question!
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On 2012-07-17 14:32, gmsmagic1 wrote:
So is there still any benefit to investing in a separate non-magnetic NG gravity Flipper coin even if I buy the Triception coin set?


I reccomend that you talk to Mark Mason about what you will be buying. He is great to work with and will discuss the options with you honestly including what size coins and whether you want silver or clad. The work is being done by Bob Swadling and the quality is excellent either way.

BTW I like your priorities.
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On 2012-07-17 08:17, gmsmagic1 wrote:
Can the Triception coins be examined after the routine since they're magnetic, or do you still need to switch them out if necessary? I assume that the NG Flipper coin is non-magnetic, which would be a distinct difference with its own restrictions and benefits.


One coin in the Triception set can be handed out. It's m******c, but looks normal. Not sure if that would satisfy the nosey ones or not.
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Oh yeah, forgot about the matching magnetic coin. That could be examined but not the flipper, with or without she'll.
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Thanks for the clarification.
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It also would not be hard at all to ditch the full set with the supplied magnetic holdout and pull out three regular coins to examine. or show 3 regular coins for examination and ditch them as you bring the gaffed coins from the magnetic coin holder in your pocket. if there is a will to show for examination you have a way on either end of the effect
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If you do the main routine. All the coins vanish and there is nothing to be handed out.
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I know this thread has been dorment for a while but I'm a new owner of Triception. Mark had mentioned at the Swap Meet where he was selling his wares that it is possible to do the the Double Deception Coin thru Silk with the Triception coins. I was just curious what the difference was between the Tri coins and the DD coins. I'm assuming there is at least some small difference in the coins.

Thanks.

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The original Double Deception's flipper was not a gravity flipper and also not a NG flipper, while Triception's flipper is both. However I believe that the latest Double Deception Plus does utilize a gravity NG flipper so I don’t know how much difference there is now.

Oh, and no shell with DD. Also, none of the other "extras" that come with Triception are included with DD.

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I just received my Triception set yesterday, Kennedy halves. I am overall thrilled with it. The routine that Mark provides though, lacks something, as the first coin isn't produced magically. I'm not much of a coin expert, but I'm working on that.
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On 2012-11-09 01:08, pepka wrote:
I just received my Triception set yesterday, Kennedy halves. I am overall thrilled with it. The routine that Mark provides though, lacks something, as the first coin isn't produced magically. I'm not much of a coin expert, but I'm working on that.

I think it would be hard to get that first coin in the right position and make it look magical. If you figure out something PM me because I can't come up with anything other than the routine Mark shows on the video.
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I haven't tried yet but I'll have to play with the set to reproduce the Silk through Coin effect. He performed it for me and I was the one 'pulling' the coin through the silk while 2 other magicians held the silk. Man, that is real magic. It really felt like I pulled it through. I can picture what I have to do with the Tri set but I'm curious what the variation is with the DD set. Hmmm.

Thanks,
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