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Pop Haydn Inner circle Los Angeles 3691 Posts |
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On 2012-07-17 11:40, acesover wrote: Perhaps the breakdown of sexist walls has more to do with the explosion of vulgarity around women and children. I am all for it. Men for a very long time have kept four letter language as a way of forcing women out of the conversations on politics, business and just about everything. "You ladies better high-tail it for the kitchen. We men are going to start smokin' cigars and cussing and talking loud." Well, that pretty much keeps the women out of any important interchange. Vulgarity is simply class consciousness anyway. What is vulgar is my Anglo-Saxon heritage. The common French words for the same thing are not "vulgar." You state it is about morality. I agree. The morality is better now. More democratic. |
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
You're right about the reputation of Times Square back in the sixties, Bob. My parents would not allow me to go to that neighborhood when I was allowed to go to Greenwich Village and even the East Village. So my visits to Tannen's alas, were few and far between.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Marcus Licinius Crassus: Do you eat oysters?
Antoninus: When I have them, master. Marcus Licinius Crassus: Do you eat snails? Antoninus: No, master. Marcus Licinius Crassus: Do you consider the eating of oysters to be moral and the eating of snails to be immoral? Antoninus: No, master. Marcus Licinius Crassus: Of course not. It is all a matter of taste, isn't it? Antoninus: Yes, master. Marcus Licinius Crassus: And taste is not the same as appetite, and therefore not a question of morals. Antoninus: It could be argued so, master. Marcus Licinius Crassus: My robe, Antoninus. My taste includes both snails and oysters.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
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On 2012-07-17 12:53, tommy wrote: Oh, okay. Nevermind then
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts |
Live your life to the best of your abilities.
Be the change you wish to see in the degenerate society. Smile, we're still breathing.
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2012-07-17 13:02, Pop Haydn wrote: Do you really believe what you wrote? Cussing was used to keep the ladies out of a conversation. I don't think it necessairly kept the wojmen out of a conversation but it ceertainly kept a bunch of what I would have to call idiots in said conversation, not to mention the kids who you can nevner chase away. they have a way of hiding and listening. While you may be all for vulgarity around women and children I am not and would appreciate it very much if we ever have cause to meet not to say anything till my grand kids and wife leave earshot before you speak. Out of respect for them not me. You see it does not bother me but I feel that it would upset my wife to hear what is not necessay to add anything to the conversation but only to be used to stress your point when I am sure if you gave it some thought you could avoid the vulgarity if you tried. I know you are a very talentted and respedcted perfromer , so I would ask. Do you use vulgarity in your act to enhance it? From what I have read about you I am sure you do not need to as you are more than competent.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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Pop Haydn Inner circle Los Angeles 3691 Posts |
I think what some people call degenerate is what I call freedom. Do we really want to put gay people back in the closet, women back in the kitchen, and children back where they are "seen but not heard?"
This degenerecy stuff is all crap. Women cuss, drink and smoke cigars now. Get over it. |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
It did take me a while to get used to my buddy's wife being a cigar smoker. That used to be something the three of us men would do out on the back porch. It was a special man-time ritual. The opposite of "ladies night." But I'm used to it now.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2012-07-17 13:01, acesover wrote: Hate to tell you this, but those things were ALWAYS easy to find. Sex shops today are far more discrete than they used to be. |
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Pop Haydn Inner circle Los Angeles 3691 Posts |
What is degenerate? My Anglo-Saxon forbears would bemoan the degeneration of their good sturdy tongue with foppish French words like beef, mutton, and intercourse.
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
Yeah, but we butcher the pronounciation, so it's all good
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Also, acesover, the fact that sex shops are "all over the place" (which they're not BTW) is not why 42nd Street doesn't stand out anymore. Like I said, 42nd Street is like Disneyland today. The Broadway/Times Square area is one big tourist spot now. And it's fairly family friendly.
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2012-07-17 13:18, Pop Haydn wrote: If you believe that what you mention above is what constitutes degenerate ssociety I think you missed the whole point. As I said no one is trying to take anyones freedom just if a mantry your best to be a gentleman and if a women try your best to be a lady. Also don't pass gas out loud in a restaurant. While there is probably no law aganist it it is just not accepted...yet. Because there is no law aganist it does not make it acceptable. Nothing wrong with gays. But we don't have to have adds in pubications advertising for casual sex for gays. I keep hearing that gays are looking to be accepted because they can love one another just as a man and woman. Well advertising for casual sex does not seem to have to much to do with love. Maybe you see it differently. However it is not gays that make a society degenerate. I do not believe anyone said that , however for some reason you brought it up.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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Destiny Inner circle 1429 Posts |
I must be getting old because I have been developing a sneaking suspicion that in society's rush to fix what was wrong, we've lost a lot of what was good also.
An example I'll get howled down for: It was right to give women equal access to the workplace and equal opportunity but we never worked out how to compensate for the lessened emphasis on parenting and are paying a huge price for it. We as a society should have worked something out - letting it work itself out is not working. And are we, as the most educated population ever to roam the planet, also the stupidest? |
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Pop Haydn Inner circle Los Angeles 3691 Posts |
What is the degeneracy that you see all around you, acesover?
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
Now I want a cigar.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Funny how you seem to be aware of where all the sex shops are and what publications contain ads for gay sex.
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2012-07-17 13:30, mastermindreader wrote: Haven''t been to NYC in over 30 years closer to 40. But if what you say is true which I am sure it is I am glad things changed for the better. Just might go there withthe wife soon.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
What virtues do you consider yourself to have?
I am gay! :)
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Slide Special user 533 Posts |
Actually, a more accurate question is Have we become the most prudish and repressed society that has ever been created. I think as you head towards the south and the midwest, the answer is clearly YES.
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