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redstreak
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I just did my first paid show a couple weeks ago Smile in which I did an ambitious card. It came to the top once, amazment. It came to the top again, applause. It came to the top a third time, silence. I learned something, don't repeat the same effect several times.
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The stages of the ambitious card shouldn't look the same. Each time it should build and build..I do it about 4-5 times and it never looses it's amazement.
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You're on the right track and that is this:

1. Learn something from every show you do.
2. Keep a notebook and write things down.


I did a stand-up show several months ago (almost a year ago) that I thought did not go as well as expected. Good but not great. The effects were fine. But something was missing.

I stared at the list of effects and the order in which they were performed and I thought ...
"hmmm... (I think I said hmmm, anyway)... hmmm..
I think there was not enough visual "magic" between two of the effects. I added a more technical slight-of-hand piece between those and the next show seemed markedly better.

The trailing effect required more suspension of disbelief and I thought perhaps I had not generated enough of that yet. So, I added another effect before it to "magish them into submission". It did seem to do the trick.

... and I wrote all that stuff down in my notebook.

Regarding the Ambitious Card, I usually do 4 phases. 2 different face down phases, then "to make it even more difficult" 2 different face up phases. The last phase I just wave the deck with one hand. The other hand stays away.

If you have a good reason to continue to another phase, then you're generating suspense and hence, interest.

If it's the same method, then, yes, 2 will do. Smile
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You could throw in a transposition also.
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Check out Tommy Wonder's Ambitious Card to Ringbox, which gets standing ovations and involves more than three phases. It's about progression and presentation. Develop the framework and you can get more mileage from the routine. If your phases are just repetition of the same action, then you are repeating the same effect rather than presenting a routine. Avoid the former, aim for the latter.
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I never get a negative reaction from the AC routine, especially after 3 rises. I think you need to be flexible in your presentation, if it is the same thing alll the time it gets a little monotonous, mix it uo a little:double, triples, KM move pass, tipover change, colour changes, palming etc. I kind of have no set routine for my ambitious, impromptu works best for me.
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I have taken ACR into many different routines as Triumph, Card to pocket, Card on forhead, impossible locations, anything would work as long as you keep up the patter and the entertainment. That is the word here Entertainment!!!
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On 2003-10-15 16:52, redstreak wrote:
I just did my first paid show a couple weeks ago Smile in which I did an ambitious card. It came to the top once, amazment. It came to the top again, applause. It came to the top a third time, silence. I learned something, don't repeat the same effect several times.


redstreak, congrats on your first gig!!! You picked a classic to perform, also.

The biggest problem with an ACR is the audience losing that initial shock. The third time, try having the card not come to the top, as they expect, but it goes to your wallet. You lead them down the garden path and take a different turn.
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Chris PM me and I will show you my Javalin card it apeppears on the of the deck in a flash ,, vey visuakl and I use this isn my finale for AC
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I hope I'm not digging up an old thread, but a big reason for the progressive lack of response might have been your presentation, or you slieghts.

with most AC's, the effect is strengthened with the systamatic removal of the spectatores options for solution.

it goes in the first time and returns to the top. they freak! what just happened, they ask.
you do it again, this time their watching to see if its really put in the center/if you do something tricky to get it back to the top. if your sleight is profitent enough, you should be cancelling out this options for solution. by the third time, you should have proven it really goes in, nothing happens, and its on top.

once youve proven that in thier minds, the fun begins. youve established that they wont figure it out, so they can relaxe and just watch the show. I like to mix it up at this point (its returned to the top 3 times). maybe the wronge card comes to the top and then changes into the selection. maybe it jumps under a glass, or in your pocket. just remember what effect your going for, the AC. while theres nothing wronge with segwaying into a diffrent trick, don't set up AC, do a compleatly diffrent trick (like torn and restorn transpo for instance), and then try to get back to you AC finish. it wont work. or will it....
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Will since it's just been digged up what you've got to do is make each phase stronger than the last. If you want to get really good at acr's you should check out Daryl's video.
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I used to do a long A.C.R. but recently I've cut back on it.
To the top twice, place it very fairly in the middle and to the top.
Then use the signed card for something else.

I'm not even sure that doing it more than once is necessary. But they always ask for it again.
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In Daryl's Ultimate AC plus gimmick, he really up the ante by making the signed card appears on the top about 15 times. Of course this is Daryl's gold metal F.I.S.M. routine and the freestyle routine really makes this effect a little like playing jazz, according to Daryl. So play it according to your style and use variation Smile
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The AC that daryl did on his vid isn't his AC for laymen. Its his AC for magicians, and I think he should have mentioned this.

When repetition is concerned, I follow the biblical and Comedic rule: three is good, 5 too much.

the strength of this is AC is there is limited solutions in the audiences mind. gain, if you systematicly remove those options for solution during each phase, by the third they should be willing to accept you can do it.

again though, I beleive that the first couple of "rises" should by used, although theyre very stronge themselves, (i cant really put what I want to say into words at the moment. maybe I'm regressing. and not in a good way. what?) as a back story/prover thing. Smile

what the heck am I trying to say?

lets try this: the emphasis shouldnt be on the first 2-3 "rises" of your AC. theyre used to set up the remaining 2-3 phases. that's what makes the trick so stronge, is once, and ill say it again cause I feel it bares repetition (imho. feel free to disagree), the magic comes AFTER your spectatores relaxe and you can entertain/fry/deliver their child to them.

cool?

cool.
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On 2003-10-15 16:52, redstreak wrote:
I just did my first paid show a couple weeks ago Smile in which I did an ambitious card. It came to the top once, amazment. It came to the top again, applause. It came to the top a third time, silence. I learned something, don't repeat the same effect several times.


Was it stunned silence or "I just figured it out" silence?
Did you repeat the same method of making it come to the top or different methods each time? I do an ACR only using one pass but it still amazes my family members who know enough about magic for me to know that when I can amaze them I can amaze non-magicians.
Kind of off topic but once I did some Ambitious Card on some older people (80+ I think) and they didn't get the humor in the card not coming to the top.
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On 2005-05-02 17:56, Jeremy L. wrote:
Kind of off topic but once I did some Ambitious Card on some older people (80+ I think) and they didn't get the humor in the card not coming to the top.



I don't get the humor in the card not coming to the top.
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I think the reason why the AC is a successful effect is because of the simple plot. The methods are just what make it happend but the plot makes the person see the magic.

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Yes, Daryls FISM winning act of this lasts about 10 minutes, and the audinece reactions get better and better, especially at the end using ultimate ambition. And all he does are basically the card coming to the top, either on his or someone elses packet though. He doesn't do all these flashy colour changes or card in Cigar box or something, as it just isn't ambitious to him, you have to find the parts that audiences like the most and jus tuse them. If it got more and more silent, they were probably starting to figure out what was going on. The reactions should get stronger and stronger as each time they are constantly being caught out. Try out the bent card move, it works great on everyone
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I don't think its fair or right to use daryls routine as a model of an ideal AC. one, the audiance was reacting beacause it was a video and they were being filmed. watch all your L&L vids, people are forcing laughter and overreacting because it makes for a good vid.

also, his routine was designed for magicians. he doest do a 14-15 phase AC for layman, because it would be repetitve and boring.

magicians can watch things a layman cant. anyone watch someone doing riffle stack work on tape? just a guy sitting there doing riffle work? no patter, no magic, just stacking? I have. but I bet no layman could watch that for more then a min or two. (darwins routines have a story line. read his "Strong magic" for his thoughts on making gambaling entertaining.)
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I usually do 5 phases. The story I use is the deck represents a 52 story high rise. The signed card represents a child playing in the elevator. You press the button on the deck and the elevator brings him to the top etc.. I now have the spect. press the button. Oops you pressed the down button by mistake. The card is now on bottom. I announce that there is a reward to find the lost child. I give them the deck and take out my wallet to pay the reward. Their signed card is gone. It turns out the child turned himself in and collected the reward himself (as I remove the signed card from the picture holder in the wallet). I did this during a show for about 25 people and it really was a showstopper.
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