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Al Angello
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A little of this, a little of that, it's all good IMO. It gets tiring when we go over the same ground many times over, but on the other hand, I enjoy hearing the different perspectives people have and expressing my own.
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On 2012-07-19 15:40, MagicSanta wrote:
Listen guys. I am on drugs and not sure what day it is and these threads confuse me.

I also don't think Bob Cassidy is hip enough to Will Rogers and I think he, Bob, would. Like his quotes.


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On 2012-07-19 04:24, Salguod Nairb wrote:
Care for a game of Russian Roulette? I'll let you go first. Smile


Careful there - Bob has actually played Russian Roulette professionally.


Why did you tell him? That was going to be my secret edge when I took him up on it!

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On 2012-07-18 15:28, Al Angello wrote:

we have a hate cable TV channel


With your opposition to partisan politics leaking into these threads, I'm sure you meant "channels."
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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Yeah, Al hated it so much he left here to do it on other magic boards! LOL Maybe he's back cause they got tired of him too!
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Oh come on now. No need for personal attacks. Even tongue in cheek. Lets not decease who is tired of who.

Al I will say you do need to disguise your dislike for those you disagree with a bit more. When you post thumbs sometimes it comes across as hate. I am not saying it is, only that it reads that way.
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The US does seem from this distance to have some real nastiness going on - but then nastiness sells more papers than sunshine and lollipops. But as for this forum, as one who hasn't spent a great deal of time here for a while, it seems the friendliest and least partisan it has ever been. There used to be topics here that were not discussions but just two opposing one sided rants with folks sticking to the party line of whatever side they were on - now there seems to be a lot more give and take - actual discussion, willingness to give ground, people admit they were mistaken about things and don't hesitate to apologise when they offend someone else - and there's some very knowledgeable posters.

The person I would judge to have been the most hateful and dishonest poster ever in this section is departed for parts unknown and I'd chance to say, the place is better for his absence. Even the most determinedly infallible of the old regulars has been somewhat subdued, which allows for more reasoned discussion.

So all in all, I'd say that while it looks on the news as though Americans spend their day at each others' throats, I doubt it's the case - and it certainly isn't here.
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With regard to the country, I think it is only inevitable that as the divide between rich and poor grows, the discourse will grow uglier. Too many lives at stake, and too much privilege at stake, to be otherwise.
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On 2012-07-20 06:55, landmark wrote:
With regard to the country, I think it is only inevitable that as the divide between rich and poor grows, the discourse will grow uglier. Too many lives at stake, and too much privilege at stake, to be otherwise.


I am certainly and obviously no economist but I suspect that if the poor keep getting poorer, the rich will get no richer, and indeed many will lose their fortunes because business models seem to be now so leveraged against ever increasing growth and quite ridiculous profits - gone are the days when stocks and bonds were looked upon by many as an investment in the future of their countries economy and a good steady reliable source of income - now everyone wants every share they buy to be a winning lottery ticket - something will have to give.

Downtrodden poor people eventually rebel - in the States they don't need to run at the palace with pitchforks - they can vote - and in this new social media age where perception is all and ideas grab hold so easily, if transiently, it isn't just a politician like Obama who can seemingly appear from nowhere and grab the spotlight. If the Republican and Democrat parties do not start doing something to improve the lot of ordinary Americans, they become very vulnerable.
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True, downtrodden poor people eventually rebel. Whether the rebellion is successful is not as certain. History shows us examples of the successful and unsuccessful; it requires great creativity, courage, and luck at the very least to have a positive outcome. I am not particularly optimistic at this time.
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So we ship all of our jobs to China and India. Nobody here has a job so nobody can buy anything. We export everything that we do produce to China and India because nobody here can afford any of it. The few things that we can afford (but still not really) are shipped back to us from China and India. The people who run these outsourcing companies make a huge short-term profit. They invest that profit in foreign banks, because they know full well what this situation is going to do to our economy.
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True, downtrodden poor people eventually rebel. Whether the rebellion is successful is not as certain. History shows us examples of the successful and unsuccessful; it requires great creativity, courage, and luck at the very least to have a positive outcome. I am not particularly optimistic at this time.


How do you think your life and the lives of your family members would change in the event of what you'd consider a successful rebellion?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley.

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We would be part of the decision making process; we would neither need to exploit nor be exploited by others.

As I say, not much optimism here.
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How does someone having more money hurt or stop you from making money?
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Danny, I appreciate the question but I'm not going to go there today. We both know where the thread will end up. I've even run out of numbers.
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The downtrodden poor people did not rebel. They were led into counter-productive, bloody, pointless rebellions by nihilistic members of the privileged classes who hated themselves, their societies, and (despite a facade of altruism) the downtrodden poor people as well. Time and time again.

Or as Eric Voegelin put it, in 1973, "all of us are threatened in our humanity, if not our physical existence, by the massive social force of activist dreamers who want to liberate us from our imperfections by locking us up in the perfect prison of their phantasy."
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Never a rebellion by the downtrodden? You overstate your point unnecessarily, among other things.
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Hi landmark, I think that in the overwhelming majority of cases, the rebellions in histgory that appear to be rebellions of the downtrodden, were in reality led by disaffected and alienated members of the ruling elite. I'd be happy to go over them with you one by one.
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