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Tony Iacoviello Eternal Order 13151 Posts |
Wow, I just found out my lifetime FID card expired in 1999 (not sure what that makes my status...)
Turns out the Gov. In 1998 decided to change the $25 lifetime FID policy to a $100 every 4 year policy. There was no announcement, we were not notified, and if you own a weapon and did not renew (because you thought your lifetime permit was for lifetime) you are also subject to $500- $5000 fines per weapon. You could also be subject to jail time. I guess it is a good thing I decided to check. In Mass. You need this to own a BB gun. |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
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On 2012-08-02 00:55, MagicSanta wrote: .410 is an itty bitty shotgun shell.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2012-08-02 05:56, mastermindreader wrote: In light of your apparent unshakable confidence, how do explain the votes of 4 of the Heller Justices to uphold the DC law?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
My "unshakeable confidence" is based on what I think is a pragmatic evaluation of the political implications of any attempt to place a complete ban on firearms.
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts |
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On 2012-08-02 11:28, Tony Iacoviello wrote: It's Animal Farm come to roost! Some "lifetime" deals are more "lifetime" than others... you should at least get a refund, but then they would say they need to wait until you die so they can pro-rate it... Sometimes I think I do magic so as to learn how to make this kind of double-talk disappear... Jim
Also known, when doing rope magic, as "Cordini"
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2012-08-02 12:26, mastermindreader wrote: Just to elaborate a bit. I know you are aware of it, but for those who aren't, the individual states may grant more expansive rights to their citizens than those set forth in the U.S. Constitution. Thus, for example, many state constitutions explicitly state that the right to bear arms is an individual right. Those states would be unaffected by a more limited interpretation of the Second Amendment. That's why I say it all comes down to pragmatic politics. A move by the SCOTUS to severely restrict gun rights would simply result in state lawmakers coming under political pressure to expand gun rights in their own jurisdictions. That is really what underlies my Ninth Amendment argument. |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Do you think that would happen even in the heavily blue states? If the Supreme Court says that you can ban handguns for self-defense, is unbearable pressure going to be brought down to California's or New York's legislators not to do so?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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magicalaurie Inner circle Ontario, Canada 2962 Posts |
"DENVER (AP) — A University of Colorado psychiatrist whose clients included the former student accused of the Aurora theater shooting reportedly tried to discuss the man with members of a campus behavioral and security committee about a month before the attack but the group never convened....KMGH, citing unnamed sources, reported that campus officials did not contact Aurora police before July 20 and that the committee didn't meet to discuss Holmes because he began the process to drop out of the school."
Report: Psychiatrist tried to discuss Holmes |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
I'm curious what information she actually had that raised alarms.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
Reading this information sickens me:
The university did confirm that Fenton was a member of a campus Behavior Evaluation and Threat Assessment team, composed of faculty and staff, including campus police. The team was created to address behavioral problems as well as potential security issues involving members of the campus community. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am sure this comment will start a debate but this is what troubles me about academia. It is not about meetings and intellectual discussions. It is about dealing with potentiial threats and follow through in the real world. Example of a meeting: We have a potential possible mass killer on our hands. OK then lets put that on the agenda for our next meeting. Moving on. Lets put signs up to slow down by the Caféteria and remind students to look both ways before crossing the street. What the heck was the Assessment team formed for in the first place? I know I will hear. Wait till you hear all the facts before making accusations. Perhaps I am jumping the gun here but after finding out that he was seeing a professional who was partly responsible for campus security and nothing was even done on this is as I said in the beginniing disgusting. I realize this did not happen on campus but does anyone here think that lessens the responsibility of those involed? This nut case had to be the radar. That is the problem Wait, wait, wait. Do something even if it is has to be looked at a second time but do something. Meetings and discussions and does nothing if findings are not acted on. This Threat Assessment team is probably another group of people picking up some extra income to attend meetings and pretend they are doing something. I know if I ever looked at their resumes and saw they were on an assement team that let this guy slip through the cracks I would have to pass on using them. Again I am probably jumping the gun here but I hate committies with fancy names that accomplish nothing. So go ahead and beat me up for a knee jerk reaction I probably deserve it. Waiting for stone to cast the first stone.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
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Waiting for stone to cast the first stone. Ain't gonna get it from me. For once I entirely agree with you. The academic world is really screwed up--something you seem to have missed in my posts. |
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Tarasoff versus the Regents of the University of California may indeed apply . . . .
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2012-08-02 16:08, acesover wrote: I agree that the publicity on this incident is not reassuring. The drugged looking perp in court. The rigged apartment. The announced but undisplayed notebook at school. And now some vague comments about an alert process that does not look sensitive or effective. My thoughts go to those whose lives were affected by that night in Colorado. Some lucky ones returning to their apartments after the explosives next door have been removed. Others who lived through the event in that movie theater. Many more who will likely wish the place were bulldozed flat and rebuilt from scratch, perhaps as a memorial. Any thoughts on some kind of message of "we care" going from the Magic Café out to Aurora?
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
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On 2012-08-02 23:56, Jonathan Townsend wrote: Agreed Jonathan. I mentioned this a while back. As I said then. I hope after the mourning period of all those affected that they find some sort of closure and I further hope justice is served and that justice helps soothe the wounds caused by this senseless act, because those wounds can never be fully healed. Those of you who pray, please offer a prayer up for those affected. They definitely need them. Those of you who don't pray just keep those who were affected by this in your mind and wish them closure to a horror that no one should have had to endure.
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
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On 2012-08-02 17:26, Woland wrote: Well that's exactly the rule I was thinking of when I was wondering what the Psychiatrist knew and what she told the other school officials. Unless someone knows certain details of a plan then the duty to report doesn't apply. But if they did know those things, then it does. But it's only curiousity on my part. As for J. Townsend's idea, I think it's a good one.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Thanks, Critter. Yes - Tarasoff only applies to mental health practitioners, and only concerns specific threats to specific people.
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/worl......4466559/
The psychiatrist who treated suspected movie-theater shooter James Holmes contacted a University of Colorado police officer to express concerns about Mr. Holmes’s behavior several weeks before his alleged rampage, ABC News reported, citing unnamed sources. The sources did not know what the officer approached by Dr. Lynne Fenton did with the information she passed along, ABC said in a report Monday on its website. They said, however, that the officer was recently interviewed, with an attorney present, by the Aurora, Colorado, Police Department as a part of the investigation of the July 20 shooting that left 12 people dead and The sources said Dr. Fenton would have had to have serious concerns to break confidentiality with her patient to contact the police officer or others, the network said. Under Colorado law, a psychiatrist can legally breach a pledge of confidentiality with a patient if he or she becomes aware of a serious and imminent threat that the patient might cause harm to others, ABC said. Psychiatrists can also breach confidentiality if a court has ordered them to do so.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Thanks, balducci. Big lawsuits ahead, no doubt.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Suspected movie theater shooter?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
They think this is a court of law. Let the cowards say alledged
He is guilty just not yet convicted! |
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