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I thought the rings seemed so corny and old-school.

Even John Carney in his stand-up act in
"Up Close and Far Away" made some joke...

"I'm going to do the linking rings....(no reaction from the audience) OK. I've got other stuff"....and throws them off the stage.

So... someone convince me. I'm willing to check it out if I can find a good routine.

Small Rings? Seems kind of fun at a restaurant.
Large rings?
How many rings? Please don't tell me 7.
Someone tell me 2 or 3?

One reason I'm changing my mind is after watching Cellini do his 2-ring routine to "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" to close his lecture last year.

It was a tear-jerker.
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Do you think Cellini found his routine in print? If you want to find something similar for yourself, you are going to have to do the work.
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I have to do the work all by myself? I have to learn and everything? ...forget it then.

YES I think Cellini found things in print. YES he found routines in print or people showed him routines in person.

He certainly did not invent the Linking Rings or see one routine and then come up with a completely different routine on his own with no reference material.

I'm not telling someone to come over to my house and put on a show. I'm looking for reference material.
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If you are looking for inspiration, check out the DVD "The Legend of the Five Mystic Rings" by Tom Frank. I also hear good things about the Chris Capehart routine, but I have never seen it.
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Rings only seem 'corny and old' to magicians. I've tried many routines... and every one has played VERY well with 'regular' folk.

Which ones to buy?
I think 10" is a good size.

I generally reccomend folks start with the set that Magic Masters offers (www.magicmasters.com) they're good rings, in a drawstring bag... and they come with good instructions...(& they're not overpriced... not too much anyway... the bag and instructions make it worth a few extra bucks.) If you can buy them in person at a Magic Master store, you'll have the advantage of some hands on teaching.

After that... start researching: Vernon's "Symphony of the Rings" (for silent/music) Whit Hayden's 4 ring routine (for stand up/comedy) Jack Miller's 5 ring routine (check out Tommy Franks new DVD)... there's a decent $15.00 video that Fun Inc. puts out w/the basics.

Perhaps Pete Biro will find this thread... I imagine he has a thought or two on the subject.

Good luck on your quest...

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Thanks John. 5 Rings sounds better than 7 or 8. Could not imagine doing something like that.

I'm kind of wondering about those cute little rings.
And what are Ninja rings?

I know nothing about rings except that John Carney threw them off the stage Smile

I'll start checking.
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My only experience with the rings is Whit Haydn's Comedy Four Ring Routine. I bought a set of solid steel 10" rings for $35 that work just fine for me.
("Ring magii" will tell you to buy the $400 Owens rings!!)

Whit gave me a bit of advice on the key ring, and after a few weeks of practice and watching Whit's video, I felt comfortable with doing the routine in public.

The routine is fairly simple to learn. Whit's video teaches more than just the mechanics, but the comedic nuances and staging as well.

It is fun to do and the comedy seems to draw attention away from the "corny and old school" attitude. Smile
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I perform a variation on Whit's routine; it's great! Note, however, that it's a platform routine; you'd mentioned restaurants above and it is definitely not a close-up routine.
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It does not seem like a close-up routine but then again, I could swear....

@#$@$ %*@ $%* @$%*@ $%@$ %@$%

... that people do it at tables with smallish rings?

No?
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Frank go with Chris Capehart's 3 ring routine it is great for walk around and is very fast .
my second
choice would be the Ninja rings.

But as I said chris's routine kills
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Greetings and Salutations Frank,

You can't go wrong with Cellini's two-ring routine, and the DVD makes it easy to pick up on the moves. For three rings, Chris Capehart has a street-honed, in-your-face routine that's very good. And I'll second, or third -- whatever -- the vote for Whit's four-ring routine, which has the advantage of some fun interaction with a volunteer.

As for the mini-rings, Dan Fleschman, Flieschman, I don't remember, it sounds something like that, I believe he's a restaurant worker from St. Louis, has a four-ring routine which he teaches on a video. And the package comes with the rings and video, so it's a good deal.

That's my $.02 (USD) worth. As always, YMMV.

Have fun playing with the rings.

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You can alwaqys look into jay sankey's 3 ring circus...on sale at penguin magic. the rings are examinable and they are ordinary objects, and the linking stuff is breathtaking.
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It took me years of research and two years of experimentation to come up with the three ring routine I currently use. I wanted to do 3 rings mainly because a 15" set of 3 Owens rings fell into my lap. The rings I currently use are 12" brass and made by the finest magical craftsman on the planet (he knows who he is and if he feels like chiming in he will). My recommendations, get rings that are large enough to go over your head, and heavy guage wire (thick diameter). The extra weight actually makes many moves easier to do thanks to momentum (plus, if you like the clang, they chime like church bells).

Of particular interest to me are the approaches. There are the "demonstrators." Whit likes to take the arrogance off by playing up an "oblivious performer" aspect and making his spec the hero. Cellini allows the audience to be voyeurs on a private almost sensual relationship.

For references, see Farelli, Vernon, et. al. Jerry Salazar has a wonderful 3-ring booklet, Aldo Colombini also (The Ganson Teach-in Series) as well as a video. The Franks DVD has a version of the Jack Miller routine (I have two copies of the booklet if anyone is interested). Richard Ross, Ross Bertram... I could go on for days, but Doug Atkinson on his MagicRef pages has a great biblio of references (http://magicref.tripod.com/magref/maglinkr.htm).

THe rings take time to learn and routine (as well as develop a relationship with), but once you try them in front of an audience you will see why they are indeed classics.

A few last tips: slow down, less is more, and rely on the fact that the illusion is sound.

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Long live the "Old School!"

The great Ken Brooke's 8-ring routine has always been my favorite...simple, flowing, artistic.

I don't know which book I photocopied that routine from so many years ago (BLAAAT! Geezer alarm...)...OOPS! Sorry...geezing again...sheesh!

Great routine, and the "count", when done smoothly, is indetectable. I have two sets...a 10" set from Hank Lee (great deal!), and a 12" set, both fine quality, and ring like bells...

I also like Jeff McBride's demonstration on the Stage Magic tapes...good stuff!

I love "old school" stuff. To paraphrase Kyle, "It's all in the presentation and performance."

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The Ninja rings aren't bad as far as the size of the rings. Shoots routine isn't bad either. Especially in his hands. I suggest picking up two sets though because you only get three. If you get a second set you can do some switching if you like. That's just a suggestions.

Richard Ross of course had a great rings routine. He had all seven in the routine but for the most part it's only done with three. His did use the large rings but many of the moves can be done with the small ones.

Jeff Hobson has a very funny rings routine with music. I know music isn't used very often in close up but it is possible. I only mentioned that for yet another variety to look into.

Maybe you can look into linking other objects such as paper clips. I've seen some pretty good routines for that too.

I get pretty board with the rings too, but I have seen some good entertaining acts with them and audiences seem to enjoy it when it's performed well. I think it's more boring for magicians then anything.

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On 2003-10-16 18:44, david_a_whitehead wrote:
You can alwaqys look into jay sankey's 3 ring circus...on sale at penguin magic. the rings are examinable and they are ordinary objects, and the linking stuff is breathtaking.


Been working with JS's keyrings for several days now and I really like them. I even fool myself. Smile
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Hey Frank,
The Ninja Rings are just a small set of 4 rings, about 4 inches. They're perfect for walkaround...ie-fit in your pocket, get great reactions, and get other tables interested because of the noise and applause. Instantly reset too. Sankey's 3 ring circus uses 3 "key rings" that you would put your keys on. Granted it's magical looking but once again, it's not as good as the ninja rings or small linking rings because they don't draw attention to the performance from other tables. I came up with a routine for my ninja rings set without owning the dvd. I know a few of the moves from the DvD such as the table spin link and audience crash link and have incorporated them into a solid routine. I have one that can be done with a table and one without. These rings are great...get them!
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The Ninja Rings are great you only need 4 rings that are 4in., they are great up close. I would get the dvd for them there is some great stuff on it.
I just got the 3 ring circus dvd that us 3 key rings looks fun.
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As Dougini said: Long live the old school!

Check out Dai Vernons 6-ring routine "Symphony of the Rings" Ok, corny title to some, but a great and entertaining routine. Every move is natural and the count in the beginning is great, easy to do and absolutely convincing. No fumbling switch!

I have done it for the last 30 years and mostly the reaction among lay people is something like: "..and he used more than just three rings, like the guy on TV...."

Works nicely with assistance from a lady spectator or child, with or without music.

Thomas
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I love the Linking Rings, enough to close my stand up comedy set. I pass out the rings for examination, using a technique of Mr. Takagi's. The concept of looking at the rings before I link them is Vernon's. Mr. Takagi's method is bold, but effective. My other influences are Jay Marshall,John Moehring, John Mendoza,Bill Malone and a lot of Vernon's classic routine.
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