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BillyH New user UK 62 Posts |
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My english teacher used to say much the same thing about my approach to spelling when I was at school. Sadly though, she never compared my plays to Shakespeare Cheers, Billy |
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Lucien Astor Special user Sunken R'lyeh 661 Posts |
Thanks Prof. I appreciated the insights on linguistics, of which I have no more than foundational understanding. Rather, my familiarity with semiotics is the winding and treacherous post-structuralist path where culture and bodies are texts... rather than a familiarity with texts as texts. I would agree with many of the points you raised, although I would posit that it is too late, for right or wrong, to stop using the term magick to refer to manifestations of alternative spirituality. It isn't too late to stop using the term for what we do as sleight-of-hand and psychological illusionists, though.
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...Any intellectual worth his salt would reject it as a jejune, even a puerile construction... Respectfully, this isn't a fair assertion. They may view the origin of the term that way, but have consigned themselves to it's place in our vocabulary. I can think of two erudite and serious scholars off the top of my head, Richard Kaczynski, Ph.D and Dr. Dave Evans, who use the term when talking about Crowley and his legacy. Quote:
...The art form that we embrace must also have its descriptor, its unique word, but ‘magick’ simply cannot be that word for the reasons outlined above.... I couldn't agree with you more, for both the reasons you outlined above and others. Using the term magick to talk about our art form is tantamount to an individual who does tricks with water, wine, fish and loaves, and decides to confer the title of christianity on his art form. Sorry, the term is already in use, let's be a little more original. Thanks for some insightful, meaningful and well composed posts Prof! I am always so pleased to talk on the Spooky forum. The conversations here seem to have far more substance than some of the other, even closely allied, places <shudder> Utmost respect and regards, Lucien Astor |
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PROF BC Inner circle 1445 Posts |
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On 2012-07-26 12:00, Lucien Astor wrote: Oh, I absolutely agree with their doing so within that limited construct. This is another kettle of fish entirely, what would be called a 'term of art', and it is absolutely appropriate to refer to Crowley by the terms (however misguided) that he himself employed. Technically, it is a form of quotation, and Crowley scholars are quite right to employ it. That is, however, as far as the practice should extend. This thread (as I read it) is about our art form, however, and my reaction is to urge us as a community to eschew the habit of appropriating the Crowley spelling when referring to the non-Crowley practice of mystery entertainment that we embody. I have so enjoyed our exchange, Lucien. Thank you most heartily for it. Warm regards, BC
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Christopher Gould Inner circle in special pants. 1029 Posts |
The word Magick was commonly used as a spelling for Magic during Tudor times and from the latter half of the middle English period, to the transition into modern english . I am sure Crowley was acquainted with Agrippa's De Occulta Philosophia! Still, I do not want to enter this sounding like a pompous ass (even though I just did!). God knows there are enough pompous asses floating around who may be stimulated by the smell of my tail! (present companye excepted of course).
The deeper question relates to how we stand on the belief in a real magical universe and how we relate this to performance. I will not go into this here, as Dr Todd has posted a couple of succinct essays on this on this forum and on his blog, and they are well worth tracking down. It seems to me that we stand on another crossroads of the evolution of out art. Perhaps the most exciting and important intersection we have experienced. It will possible divide the community right down the middle, based upon something as fundamental as our core beliefs. A chalice is being offered, an opportunity to re-establish magic to it's former position. To bring magick back into magic and into the world that so desperatly needs it. In this regard, I think that Paul, Dr Todd, and Rob's work should be read and reread. Was it not a shame that the review for Rob's book got buried in the usual product hyping that goes on here? I sense a deeper purpose behind this. One that fuels my lack of interest in most of the worn out themes of bizarre magic. We have the opportunity to develop something that lifts, elevates and evolves us, as art should. This seems to be happening quite spontaneously to me, on an almost monthly basis it seems that some of the great thinkers here are being drawn to a new thinking. No one person has the complete picture, but many come to the feast with an exciting piece of the puzzle. I predict exciting times ahead.
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Michael_MacDonald 1964 - 2016 Washington 2034 Posts |
And about time to.
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Michael_MacDonald 1964 - 2016 Washington 2034 Posts |
The most talked about effects I perform are;
luna luna rose combined with sanctum psychological subtitles routines just using post its none of these are performed exactly like anyone else. they do not focus on me, they focus on the spec. the spec does all the work. this makes it real to them. it gives them a reason to trust me as I'm just out to help them succeed. to me this is what it is all about, getting them involved and really wanting it to happen. since I started my change over from "magic" to mental/ bizarre/ story magic I have gotten 10 times the bookings from word of mouth. aug is almost completely booked solid for me not counting the normal restaurant strolling gigs. this tells me I'm on the right track. this tells me that people want magic that is beyond the pick a card or sucker gag. that they hunger for real entertainment and mystique. am I the only one seeing a turn towards the darker magic by normal people? |
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PROF BC Inner circle 1445 Posts |
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On 2012-07-26 15:13, Christopher Gould wrote: Exciting times are upon us, my good friend, for "to travel hopefully is a better thing than to arrive, and the true success is to labour." BC
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Christopher Gould Inner circle in special pants. 1029 Posts |
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On 2012-07-26 16:46, Michael_MacDonald wrote: We may be going much further than this..... Do have a look at Rob's book to get what I am talking about, you will not regret it. (btw, Rob isn't paying me to say any of this!)
The Moon is now to be found in the constellation of Gemini:
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cirrus Inner circle his minions made 1751 Posts |
Rob who? do you have a link?
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Christopher Gould Inner circle in special pants. 1029 Posts |
The Moon is now to be found in the constellation of Gemini:
https://www.geminiartifacts.com |
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Michael_MacDonald 1964 - 2016 Washington 2034 Posts |
Looks like a new must have. I am rereading tales of enchantment as it has a wealth of knowledge. I prefer a more in your mind type of effects like sanctum and such. I got lucky and found a copy of have séance will travel that illiterates the type of performance I'm leaning towards. that book was way ahead of its time in my eyes.
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cirrus Inner circle his minions made 1751 Posts |
I'm doing character-based magic. I play a wizard that travels around and shows people what they are capable off.
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Michael_MacDonald 1964 - 2016 Washington 2034 Posts |
Very nice. there are so many great thinkers in the bizarre/ mentalism field that the art can not help but get stronger. new blood is adding and building on the foundations laid by the pioneers of bizarre. I am thoroughly enjoying not getting scripting with the new effects I'm buying as it forces me to create my own. its so much more fun for me now lol.
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cirrus Inner circle his minions made 1751 Posts |
I never do any of the effects in the books I buy. I just use them for inspiration.
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Michael_MacDonald 1964 - 2016 Washington 2034 Posts |
Its not the effects I'm looking for but the way they use them, the changes and the presentations. the effects are cool to read but its ideas I'm after.
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cirrus Inner circle his minions made 1751 Posts |
I have my own coin production that is totally motivated by how my character works. I also do the cups and balls totally motivated and not just because I can.
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Michael_MacDonald 1964 - 2016 Washington 2034 Posts |
Routines out of some of the really old books I will use as a start and change the handling and scripting to fit me better as the wording they use wont fit todays specs.
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Michael_MacDonald 1964 - 2016 Washington 2034 Posts |
I never could find a justifiable reason for me to perform cups and balls. it just doesn't fit me personally.
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cirrus Inner circle his minions made 1751 Posts |
My whole performance is aimed to find my wizard a student. The cups and balls is how I train my student into a little bit of magic. You should see the look on a kids face when they make the balls disappear.
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Christopher Gould Inner circle in special pants. 1029 Posts |
I think the need for a new word, or a new old word arises because we have suffered a few centuries of magic becoming devalued - to the point that someone in a sequinned suit who makes the semblance of a dog from a balloon is deemed a 'magician'. The art has become debased and seen as the home of the egocentric entertainer. Paradoxically, somewhere along the line magicians have seen it their job to devalue and debunk magic.
All of this is quite serious in a world that is so devoid of magic, a world where materialism uses it's considerable resources to eradicate any magical thinking, that enslaves magicians to it's cause, a world where religious extremists are the only ones to lay claim to their bloody version of spirit. Tell someone that you are a magician and what mental images do you think is formed? As the Prof pointed out, language is mutable - it certainly is in my writings (a bow to all my proof readers). I never thought that language should be a straight jacket on creativity. For those of us who live within a magical universe and who passionately want to share this with others, who want to transform the world with magic - what term do we use that distinguishes us from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17jv3-TODR0&feature=relmfu ???
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