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Aftereight
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Hi,

Marcelo Insúa of Tango Magic has developed - UNmemorized Deck. He was awarded at the FISM 2012 with the Invention prize. Hocus Pocus just start taking pre-orders.

Does anybody know what UNmemorized Deck is?

Here is the trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFSMwK7pmew

Here is the description:

Marcelo Insúa of Tango Magic has been developing and professionally performing his UNmemorized Deck for the past ten years, delighting and fooling both laymen and experienced magicians worldwide. In over 100 lectures in 20 countries in the most prestigious magic clubs and venues, he has dazzled audiences with his stress-free card system. Even the most knowledgeable magicians are baffled by how the effects are done.

Amazingly, there is no sleight of hand, no special cards, no memorization, no work, and no stress. It is as close to real magic as you can get. You will be delighted by the brilliant principle and ease of creating miracles. Now you, too, can share in the remarkable secrets of the UNmemorized Deck.

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I bought it directly from http://www.hocus-pocus.com/ (shipping is free) when I saw this post.
Looks like a great thing for cardworkers.
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Hi Kjellstrom,

Just yesterday I read your post regarding Memorized Deck by Martin Joyal, which I never heard of before and today I start reading the book you advise. So thank you for that. I will also buy the UNmemorized deck, so if you will post some review in the future, please do so and thank you.

Regards Matt
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I bought it. I am very excited to start working with this. I hope it's as good as advertised.
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Hi Aftereight. Joyal stack made My cardwork to à new level. You can do Amazing effects With à memo stack.
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Has anyone seen this UNmemorized deck in action? I would like to know what I bought lol.
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On 2012-07-30 16:24, twistedace wrote:
Has anyone seen this UNmemorized deck in action? I would like to know what I bought lol.


I too would like to know what the effect is. The video trailer is next to worthless. I'm tired of buying a pig in a poke.
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Agree,it's a worthless demo
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"Imagine being able to do the same types of miracles as the Memorized Deck with no memory and a shuffled deck!"
This by itself sounds very fishy. It's not the "same miracles" but the "same type of miracles". Mmmmm.
Then the mysterious video. Double mmmmmm.
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So no one has anything to say about this yet?
"it's bad luck to be superstitious."
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Nooup... We are all waiting...
But still.. If you learn memorized deck... why would you do anything else??? Learning memorized deck is easy, so Unmemorized deck must be really good, to convince me to use it. Just my opinion...
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“Whether you think that you can, or that you can't, you are usually right.”
-Henry Ford

With all due respect to Marcelo Insúa, here are a few random thoughts about the memorized deck.

1. Most magicians who are interested in getting started with memorized deck work overestimate the time and effort required to learn a memorized deck. Juan Tamariz has shown that you can learn memorized deck in a single afternoon, once you get over your internal mental block.

2. A memorized deck is not a panacea. It won’t solve all of your problems and turn you into a great magician overnight. Rather, the memorized deck is a tool that amplifies the skills that you already have. You can still do interesting things without too much sleight of hand, but there are limits on what you can accomplish. If you already have the ability to do false shuffles, false cuts, estimation, and passes, the memorized deck will take your magic to a higher level, almost immediately.

3. Most magicians who decide to learn a memorized deck spend too much time looking for the perfect answer. It’s easy to spend years in search of that elusive, perfect memorized deck. The Holy Grail is a memorized deck that you can master with no effort at all, and many magicians are willing to wait until they find it.

My advice: pick a stack (Nicola, Aronson, Tamariz, Joyal, etc.) and learn it. Spend one month working on the problem. You might surprise yourself.
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I'll add to Barry's suggestions the observation that most magicians interested in memorized deck work think that there's only one good way to memorize a deck: classical mnemonics. In truth, that is only one of four traditional methods, and many would argue that it's not the best one!

I agree that it's not nearly as difficult to memorize a deck as some people think, especially if one chooses a method that is best suited to the needs of the individual student.
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Getting back to the original topic, I've now seen a more detailed review of the so-called "Unmemorized Deck", and it has nothing to do with memorized decks. It's a very old technique revisited (though not as well as other existing versions), and while it can be used for a couple of memorized-deck-like effects (not particularly good ones), as can many other techniques, it bears no relationship to actual memorized deck ideas.
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I've posted my thoughts in thenLatest and Greatest forum, overall it's pretty worthless if you already know the mem deck. It has a lot of draw backs and is very similar to another principle I learned a long time ago.
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I'm typically not one to play guessing games about methods etc... sometimes a creator will post a video in an effort to genuinely give a representation of the effect of a trick and then discussion digresses to just method guessing games, exposure etc.... I'm not in favor of all that....

however, Smile in this case, where the demo video shows basically nothing and is just narrated ad copy... I feel justified at taking a stab.....
this smells to me like a 25 dollar trick which is basically "did you ever notice that 26 of the cards have rounded indices and 26 do not??" or something similar to that??... basically just some visual attribute of a deck of cards which would allow you to pick one card that doesn't belong amongst a group of cards.... .. and all for the bargain price of 25 dollars !! (insert sarcasm)...

ok... I'm in a grumpy mood and that demo video made me grumpier.
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Caveat Emptor!
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A student of mine, using my memory system for cards, memorizes THREE decks in 3 to 5 minutes!
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Oh, let me save you time/trouble --- he's not a magician, he's in the "locksmith" business, and he lives in Kansas. He, incidentally, isn't the only one who can do that using my systems - I personally would never bother.
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Sounds like a joke... why would anyone spend so much time and effort memorizing a deck when they can use this... not possible
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