The Magic Café
Username:
Password:
[ Lost Password ]
  [ Forgot Username ]
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » Shuffled not Stirred » » Adjuncts to Mem-Deck Work (4 Likes) Printer Friendly Version

 Go to page [Previous]  1~2~3~4~5 [Next]
baobow
View Profile
Special user
501 Posts

Profile of baobow
This was raised in another post in Shuffled not Stirred and I think should be considered 0.1) Treat your mem deck as if it were a gaff, don't overuse it or abuse it in your set as using the principle too many times in your set will start to make the principle suggest itself.

Another one
16) Make a conscious effort to not have the 52nd card showing on the bottom all the time so that when your spectator's see or get a glimpse of the bottom card of the deck intermittently throughout your performance that its not always the 52nd card, all those great false shuffles and cuts could be de-railed by this small point.
Cohiba
View Profile
Special user
Michigan
749 Posts

Profile of Cohiba
Cool thread.
17) Using a gaffed box, ala Asi Wind or Darwin Ortiz.
baobow
View Profile
Special user
501 Posts

Profile of baobow
Does anyone here scallop short multiple cards in the card for easy location i.e. 13th,26th, 39th, 52nd? A great idea I learnt from one of Josh Jays dvds was that for the 26th and 52nd card at the narrow end of the card and 13th and 39th at the long end of the card makes it easy to riffle. I haven't used a scallop short personally for a while I didn't like to double lift a scallop short card as it never aligned properly with the card underneath it. I ended up switching to a breather crimp instead.
Dennis Loomis
View Profile
1943 - 2013
2113 Posts

Profile of Dennis Loomis
I use a scallop short card, but only one for stack number 1. However, my friend Frank Baxter uses 4 scallops in his Aronson stack. I agree that it does make it difficult to double lift that one card. But, knowing that it's there, it's not hard to adjust.

Dennis Loomis
Itinerant Montebank
<BR>http://www.loomismagic.com
baobow
View Profile
Special user
501 Posts

Profile of baobow
We could make a dvd with all of these ideas and sell it as new age methods, new strings, no magnets ......
JanForster
View Profile
Inner circle
Germany ... when not traveling...
3852 Posts

Profile of JanForster
Quote:
On 2012-09-06 21:48, Cohiba wrote:
Cool thread.
17) Using a gaffed box, ala Asi Wind or Darwin Ortiz.

And à la Ken Krenzel and John Born. Jan
Jan Forster
www.janforster.de
Dennis Loomis
View Profile
1943 - 2013
2113 Posts

Profile of Dennis Loomis
I mentioned the use of false cuts in my first post but did not mention the ones that I use specifically.

One good old reliable standby is Frank Garcia's Affas-Gaffas false cut. You'll find it described on page 391 of Card College. This one is quite easy to do and you can learn it in a few days. But keep practicing so that you can do it with ease and very quickly.

I use the Up-The-Ladder cut which I learned from Daryl's Encyclopedia of Cards Sleights DVD. This is more challenging to master, but worth the effort.

I use an in-the-hands three way false cut from Aldo Colombini's Magic of Italy DVD. Alas I no longer have that DVD and have forgotten the name of the cut and who created it.

I use an optical false cut that I created when I was 15 years old. (That's 54 years ago, gang.) It's never been in print but I will probably include it in my upcoming book "A Magician Prepares."

The Affas-Gaffas and up the ladder cuts need to be done on a table. The other two are done in the hands.

There are many other false cuts available in the literature but I settled on these four and don't feel that I need any more. But that doesn't mean that you can't post your favorite false cuts in this thread. Knowing me, I'll probably work through whatever you suggest, and perhaps add them to my repertoire.

Dennis Loomis
Itinerant Montebank
<BR>http://www.loomismagic.com
Woland
View Profile
Special user
680 Posts

Profile of Woland
Has anyone mentioned the False False Shuffle (Lew Brooks)?
Dennis Loomis
View Profile
1943 - 2013
2113 Posts

Profile of Dennis Loomis
Woland,
I don't believe that anyone mentioned it before you. It can be a VERY disarming tool, but it has limitations. I don't want to give it away, but suffice it to say that it's use has to be planned in advance and you can't just go to it at any time you have a stacked deck in hand as you can with the Heinstein, The Jarrow, or the Haymow.

Dennis Loomis
Itinerant Montebank
<BR>http://www.loomismagic.com
Dennis Loomis
View Profile
1943 - 2013
2113 Posts

Profile of Dennis Loomis
To Martin Joyal,
You mentioned (# 14) having all of the pointer cards facing in the same direction. If memory serves, there are 24 pointer cards in the deck, but I believe they will be scattered randomly throughout an Aronson stack or Mnemonica or your stack. (Possibly a little less random in your stack.)

I wonder if you might elaborate a bit on this if it's something that you use. If it's just a concept you shared, that's fine. Thanks for sharing.

It inspires me to add this: There are lots of great tricks done with a one-way deck. (See the published material of Ted Annemann.) I have created a subtle one-way deck of 52 Bicycle backed cards by putting a small mark on the back of each card. It's a very simple bit of block out work which I do with a small marking pen. This allows you to know if a card has been turned around in the stack with a deck which does not appear to be "one-way." It also could be pre-done by turning, as an example, the 4 Aces or whatever cards you wish around. I also developed a marking system for the faces of the cards. Yes, there are 24 "one-way" faces, but by using marks, you can up that to the complete deck. Either of these tools could be used in conjunction with a mem-deck, of course.

I encourage all of you mem-deck workers to occasionally go back through this thread looking for more stuff to add. That could be USES for some of these ideas. For example, while I just added the idea of a subtle one-way deck on the back or face, I have not worked out of thought of any specific uses for this. If one comes to your mind, do us all a favor and add it here.

Dennis Loomis

P.S. I'm thinking of trying to organize these thoughts to some extent. Our numbering system has kind of flown the coop, and it might be of value to publish a list, with cross references to techniques which several different contributors have chimed in on.
Itinerant Montebank
<BR>http://www.loomismagic.com
Jack Crafter
View Profile
New user
Kent, England
62 Posts

Profile of Jack Crafter
Thanks for creating this thread everybody! It's made for a really interesting read and has given me some really good ideas to experiment with. I haven't been working with a stacked deck for long so it's been really interesting to see what's possible.

I've been playing around with the idea of having a single card in the center of the deck marked to make it easy to determine chosen cards from a spread deck (although if you were going to use a single marked card you may as well use a full marked deck like Barry said Smile ).

Since I read about the use of short corner cards in Marlo's fingertip control I've fallen in love with the idea of them in a stacked deck. I was using them just for forces but reading what Dennis and Baobow said about using them as indicator cards has made me realise just how powerful a tool they can be. If you have a few scattered about you easily cut to any card you needed really. Definitely something I'm going to experiment with!
Woland
View Profile
Special user
680 Posts

Profile of Woland
Jon Thompson has some interesting ideas in his book "Stripped and Stacked." He discusses the "pointers" in the standard deck, either in that book, or in his "The Stripper Deck." The idea is to take advantage of several different kinds of information. A deck could also be marked, stripped, and stacked, and "salted" with other indicators, too.
Cain
View Profile
Inner circle
Los Angeles, CA
1513 Posts

Profile of Cain
Quote:
On 2012-09-13 17:03, Dennis Loomis wrote:
P.S. I'm thinking of trying to organize these thoughts to some extent. Our numbering system has kind of flown the coop, and it might be of value to publish a list, with cross references to techniques which several different contributors have chimed in on.


Do it, Dennis! Like most threads, this one's experiencing some drift (for example, I think favorite false cuts/shuffles probably deserves its own topic). Anyway...

#XX) Estimation. This was touched upon with glimpses, but having a memorized stack allows one to work on their ability to estimate a given number of cards. Michael Close has a fun estimation-based trick called "Myopia"
Ellusionst discussing the Arcane Playing cards: "Michaelangelo took four years to create the Sistine Chapel masterpiece... these took five."

Calvin from Calvin and Hobbes: "You know Einstein got bad grades as a kid? Well, mine are even worse!"
Dennis Loomis
View Profile
1943 - 2013
2113 Posts

Profile of Dennis Loomis
Cain,

I have started the process. The key to finding things will be the DATE. Otherwise the thread is just an un-numbered list of items in random order.

But I do want to respond to your suggestion of Estimation. Some readers may think of Estimation as only the process of looking at where a card is replaced and trying to determine how far it is from the either the top of bottom of the deck. You may be surprised to hear that in the book Revolutionary Card Technique Ed Marlo has two full chapters on Estimation. They cover pages 466 to 528 and include many different methods of accurately estimating and over a dozen different effects using estimation. Many of these effects contain methods which allow for the fact that your estimation may be off by as much as three cards.

I spent just a little time with a mem-deck in hand. It just happened that it was also a marked deck. I could see immediately how many of the Marlo estimation techniques can be simplified by using a marked, memorized deck. The estimation effects often require one or more glimpses, and the decks marks allows you to get the information you need from the back. And the fact that the deck is memorized helps you to quickly get to the vicinity that you need to be working in.


Dennis Loomis
Itinerant Montebank
<BR>http://www.loomismagic.com
Nicolino
View Profile
Inner circle
2869 Posts

Profile of Nicolino
Not very much longer, this wonderful thread will probably be "sticky", even more after some re-organization! Smile
The Mati Envelope
A brandnew peek device for the working mentalist!

Chance's Token
Tarot cards in a scenic piece of mystery.....
Dennis Loomis
View Profile
1943 - 2013
2113 Posts

Profile of Dennis Loomis
Another couple of comments about estimation: It's not limited to Visual estimation of where the deck is cut or how many cards are in a packet. Attempting to physically cut to different positions in the deck is another form of estimation. Michael Close is uncanny in his ability to do this. Practicing with a mem-deck saves you all of that counting of the cards while practicing, and in performance if you are off, you know immediately how far away your target position is.

Dennis Loomis
Itinerant Montebank
<BR>http://www.loomismagic.com
Dennis Loomis
View Profile
1943 - 2013
2113 Posts

Profile of Dennis Loomis
The Magic Café Thread: Adjuncts to Mem-Deck Use

Started on August 15, 2012 by Dennis Loomis

Aligned Pointer Cards and One-Way Decks
Martin Joyal Aug 22, 2012
DL Sept 13, 2012

Deck Switch Concept, no specifics Aug 15, 2012 DL

Effects which maintain the Stack Order
BarryFernelius Aug 15, 2012

False Cuts
DL August 15, 2012
DL Sept 13, 2012

False Shuffles
Heinstein Aug 15, 2012 DL
Zarrow Aug 15, 2012 DL
Haymow Aug 15, 2012 DL
False-False Shuffle Sept 13, 2012 Woland, Sept. 13 DL

Forces
No Specifics Aug 15, 2012 DL

Gaffed Card Boxes
Cohiba Sept 6, 2012
JanForster Sept 12, 2012

Glimpses
Cain Aug 16, 2012

Knockout Prediction Method
Baobow Sept. 3, 2012

Marked Deck No Specifics
DL Aug 15, 2012
BarryFernelius Sept 5, 2012

Partial Stacks
BarryFernelius Aug 15, 2012

Letting the Spectator Shuffle
Cain Aug 15, 2012
DL Aug 15, 2012

Linking Stack Numbers to other lists
BarryFernelius Sept 5, 2012

Locator Cards (Corner Shorts, Scallop Shorts, Short or Long Cards, Breathers, Will De Seive Card (Coin impression Card), etc.
DL Aug 15, 2012
Martin Joyal Aug 16, 2012
Nicolino Aug 19, 2012
Llynus Aug 19, 2012
Turk Aug 20, 2012
Duanebarry Aug 20, 2012
Baobow Sept 11, 2012
DL Sept 11, 2012

Not overusing a mem-deck
Baobow Sept 6, 2012

Not keeping card 52 on the bottom persistently
Baobow Sept 6, 2012

Obtaining Any Four of a kind. Attributed to “Behr/Hartling
Cain Aug 15, 2012

Presentation
Tamariz Aug 27, 2012
DL Sept 1, 2012

Reverse Stack Order
BarryFernelius Aug 20, 2012
Baobow Aug 30, 2012
DL Sept 1, 2012
JanForster Sept 2, 2012

Second Deal
DL Aug 15, 2012

Story Effects like Southside Johnny
DL Aug 15, 2012
Eric Richardson
Itinerant Montebank
<BR>http://www.loomismagic.com
Dennis Loomis
View Profile
1943 - 2013
2113 Posts

Profile of Dennis Loomis
Above I posted the assorted topics which we have discussed to date, grouped under topic headings so that you can read all of the postings relevant to the topic. To find a post, use the date and the name of the originator. "DL" is me; Dennis Loomis

As the starter of the thread I grant myself permission to sleightly change the original charge. So, don't worry about whether or not you use a concept with a mem-deck. If you have an idea which could be helpful to others, post it. Give all the specifics you can to help others find information about your suggestion. For example I mentioned the Ed Marlo Book and the page numbers in my post about Estimation. If you use a move or concept in a particular trick, mention the trick, but if you know it, give the reference to where others can find out more about different effects. While we've covered a lot of ground, I am confident that there is much more to be said about the topic.

Dennis Loomis
Itinerant Montebank
<BR>http://www.loomismagic.com
Dennis Loomis
View Profile
1943 - 2013
2113 Posts

Profile of Dennis Loomis
To Jack Crafter,
I just noticed that your post was your very first one on the Café! Welcome aboard and thanks for jumping into this thread.

Dennis Loomis
Itinerant Montebank
<BR>http://www.loomismagic.com
Eric Richardson
View Profile
Regular user
110 Posts

Profile of Eric Richardson
Thanks again Dennis for starting this thread.

On the topic of marking specific cards and using short cards: I have some work on this in and it can be obtained for free in the OASIS sampler available at vanishingincmagic.com. Even though the book is about the Arondon stack the work I put into the deck will work with any stack. I'm not trying to plug the book (honest!), but the sampler is free and contains some work on short cards that has been buried in the literature for a long time.

Eric
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » Shuffled not Stirred » » Adjuncts to Mem-Deck Work (4 Likes)
 Go to page [Previous]  1~2~3~4~5 [Next]
[ Top of Page ]
All content & postings Copyright © 2001-2020 Steve Brooks. All Rights Reserved.
This page was created in 0.17 seconds requiring 5 database queries.
The views and comments expressed on The Magic Café
are not necessarily those of The Magic Café, Steve Brooks, or Steve Brooks Magic.
> Privacy Statement <

ROTFL Billions and billions served! ROTFL