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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
Not on the DVD's, TV or video like you tube.
When I first started doing close up magic for a living. I was very lucky to be living in Chicago when they had a lot of magic bars and restaurants. I used to go into these places just to watch the close up magicians like Terry Vecky, Heaba Habba Al, Bill Malone, Ernie Spence and others do magic. I did not watch them do their magic routines as much as I watched them work with people. Because in my opinion doing magic is easy - doing magic for people and working with people is a harder skill to learn but an important skill to learn in my opinion. Anyone else like to do things this way?
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MichaelDouglas Special user Portland, Oregon 766 Posts |
Glenn, without a doubt, you are right. Magic is secondary, entertaining and connecting with people is by far the most important part of what we do. This is is a primary element in what separates world class magic professionals from the ordinary guy that knows the mechanics of a few slights with cards, coins, or whatever.
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FatHatter Regular user I'm here you're there and that's that. 137 Posts |
I've taken a directly opposite approach; don't watch Magicians, don't session with them, don't hang out with them, etc.
Don't care for most I've seen and don't want to be influenced by bad presentations, language, movements, etc. Do think the interaction is paramount and also think those skills are better learned outside of Magic and then applied to it. |
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
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On 2012-08-17 13:43, FatHatter wrote: If I remember right - this is what Slidini did and was why his magic looked different.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2012-08-17 12:51, MichaelDouglas wrote: This can be a huge advantage. It means you don't hear years and years of what can't be done and what is "right" and such, and simply spend that valuable time finding ways it CAN be done. I have had the same philisophy simply because I am left handed, and have a hand the approximate size of Rhode Island. Most books are not written for left handers. Most of them tell you to use a pinky for this or that, and mine is nowhere near the deck to do that. I had to find ways to do things differently. I had no choice. I actually use the heel of my hand for breaks more than a pinky. You just figure out what works. You find what you are looking to accomplish and set out to do so.
Danny Doyle
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
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On 2012-08-17 16:29, Dannydoyle wrote: No wonder you took up magic. It probably sucked trying to find a catcher's mitt!
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1tepa1 Inner circle 1281 Posts |
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On 2012-08-17 14:10, bishthemagish wrote: And also Jerry Andrus |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Quote: On 2012-08-17 16:35, Michael Baker wrote:
Danny Doyle
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
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On 2012-08-17 14:10, bishthemagish wrote: Quote:
On 2012-08-17 16:36, 1tepa1 wrote: Yes I agree - very origional thinking. Thanks for staying on topic as others seem to want to side line it.
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
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On 2012-08-18 11:20, bishthemagish wrote: It seems as if I am the "others" in this case. So, rather than wreck with a moment of levity, Glenn's thread, I'll say that I grew up in a fairly hermetic environment. I had been into magic for at least 7 or 8 years before I moved to a larger city and had the opportunity to see any close-up workers, and that was limited to the local magic club, and later, a magic convention. But even through the years, there really was no one working close-up where I could just go watch. I sessioned with friends, but that was about it. After I began working close-up publicly, it was usually the other way around. I would see them coming to watch me. That had its ups and downs. This touches back on one of Mr. Bishop's earlier threads regarding publicizing where you are working, but I digress... I will just add that my two favorite experiences of watching close-up magicians in their element was (1) seeing Tom Mullica perform at the Tom Foolery in Atlanta, and (2) watching three performers at Le Double Fond in Paris. My reason for going... just to have fun.
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Countage Veteran user Charlotte 361 Posts |
That reminds me of a time I saw a college circuit magician perform a levitation. What got me was several hundred college freshman standing on their chairs trying to figure out how it was done. Who cares about the props or the magic. The reaction behavior of the audience is where its at.
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
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On 2012-08-30 09:55, Countage wrote: Although I agree with the audience reaction I don't agree with the props and magic. In my opinion there are situations where the props and magic are very important. In my opinion the technical side is needed because without it there is no audience reaction. I consider magic as part of a three way triangle - each side being just as important as the next. Without each side the trangle and the magic doesn't exist. It is a theory that I have developed by watching the magicians I grew up with.
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Countage Veteran user Charlotte 361 Posts |
Okay I may have worded that wrong. I would not have gotten in this business if it was not for my interest in the magic and props. I went a little overboard making my point.
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ldl1017 Elite user 476 Posts |
I like watching guys like Bill Malone and Doc Eason work a crowd. They truly no more than just the magic end of it.
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
It is not the magic props or skills that keep them watching. It is the magician.
Or as Pete Townsend put it "It's the singer, not the song, that makes the music move along". Just an opinion.
Danny Doyle
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Artie Fufkin Special user 853 Posts |
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On 2012-08-30 10:23, bishthemagish wrote: I guess that's better than developing a theory about magic being part of a two way triangle, or worse, a four way triangle. How much time did it take you to develop this theory? I suspect it took about as long as it took you type the post, and even that was probably too long for the obvious total lack of thought put into whatever it was you thought you were trying to say. |
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
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On 2012-08-30 19:27, Dannydoyle wrote: Yes, but as in most cases, I never see these things as purely black or white. It takes a great performer to bring charisma to the performance. The best can do much with little. But, an intriguing item can open a few doors to interest, making clearing the hurdle to audience approval a bit easier. I think one compliments the other. The same with the actual effect (the magic). It can easily be said that there are some that merit little interest, while others are interesting simply because of what they purport to do. The bottom line is, "Does the audience care... about the magician, the item(s), or what he intends to do with them?"
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I certainly don't think it is a choice.
Danny Doyle
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
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On 2012-08-30 20:26, Dannydoyle wrote: If you refer to my last sentence, then I concur. Maybe it's Glenn's 3-sided triangle.
~michael baker
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
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On 2012-08-30 18:44, ldl1017 wrote: Yes a good combination of props, skill, and the ability to entertain which in my opinion is not learned overnight. Quote:
On 2012-08-30 19:27, Dannydoyle wrote: I think the song is just as important - imagine all singers singing the same song? Quote:
On 2012-08-30 10:23, bishthemagish wrote: Quote:
On 2012-08-30 19:30, Artie Fufkin wrote: Well, Hardy Har Har Har... Quote:
On 2012-08-30 19:30, Artie Fufkin wrote: Nope it took a lifetime, interesting you insult me and my theory (my opinion) and you don't even know what my theory is... (Laughing)...
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