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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Where did I knock your skill here, and where did I knock you?
I said it was one right answer Glenn. Oh well another perfectly good thread shot to pieces. I tried, everybody saw me try. Glenn you have great skills. Nobody has said or implied differently. Your shell game is great. I don't see where I based your technical ability. So Bill filmed it 100 years ago. Good. As you said you sent me coppies.. What are you talking about?
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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imgic Inner circle Moved back to Midwest to see 1336 Posts |
Upon review of the thread...it's most likely this posting that derailed it...
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On 2012-08-24 12:38, bishthemagish wrote: While Danny's comment could be construed as argumentative, it wasn't specific, didn't raise the tension in the discussion, and was in direct response to a posting relevant to the original topic. The reply by Glenn was spcifically aimed at Danny, was clearly argumentative in nature, and it directly attacked another's skill (i.e. "If one has a 'good' close up act..." implying Danny is an inferior performer). It was the start of the end for this otherwise informative thread. Disclaimer: I do not personnally know either Danny nor Glenn. Could give a rat's @ss about either: just tired of seeing good threads perish before their time...
"Imagination is more important than knowledge."
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
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On 2012-08-27 15:46, Dannydoyle wrote: I see we are back to what in my opinion as "your agenda". First of all Bill did not "film" it was video tape and video tape is very different than film. And it was not 100 years ago in my opinion again you are being very disrespectful. What next? Are you going to go back to name calling like Glennie or cup cake mr. tough guy?
Glenn Bishop Cardician
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
As am I. Obviously Glenn harbors some sort of anger and attacks whenever he sees he can. I really want this silliness to stop. I am sick of threads degrading into silly measuring contests.
This is what I mean by many right answers. There is no right answer for all, but rather we each are guided to our own right answer guided by our experience. No answer more valid than the next. The whole point is to be able to share our experiences so we see other solutions. Not to judge one as right or wrong. I was responding to imgic
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
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On 2012-08-27 16:02, bishthemagish wrote: Wow. I guess it is best to take my own advice and try to ignore you. My bad guys.
Danny Doyle
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
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On 2012-08-27 15:58, imgic wrote: Sorry Imac if you read this into this - I am not attacking Danny's skill... And I am not implying Danny or anyone else is inferior... I have worked in magic bars and restaurants and as I said I have worked with magicians that shall we say team up to do certain effects for audience members. As I don't see the need to have a server in a non magic restaurant load cards for you - when you are the magician? I still don't see the need. Perhaps you can explain why would this technique be used in a non magicians restaurant? I am honestly asking why? Because I feel that part of why the magician is paid to perform in a restaurant why would they want or need anyone to load for them? Now please try to understand my point of view because I have read that Malini used to pre-load items. He would be a guest at a house and he would load cards behind pictures and such. And he perhaps had someone bring him ice for the load in the ice trick (a Vernon tail). However Malini was not a restaurant performer as they are today. One of my points is that having the server load is having one person outside of magic having knowledge and memory of how he helped the magician do magic. Perhaps I am wrong with my point of view. But if a server sees me load - and it is just one of those things - rather than having a server help me load up a table - that is another thing. Thanks in advance for helping me see a different point of view.
Glenn Bishop Cardician
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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts |
The servers don't think it's real magic. They know it's entertainment. Use them or don't use them, but there are different ways of doing things.
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On 2012-08-27 16:20, bishthemagish wrote: When you say that you don't need a crutch (that others advocate using) you are, in fact, implying that they're inferior. Especially when in the same sentence you proclaim your great skill. You may not intend to come across as condescending; I don't know. If so, you've failed in that mission. |
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imgic Inner circle Moved back to Midwest to see 1336 Posts |
Doesn't the fact a magician is regularly performing at a restaurant make it a "magic" restaurant? What's the cutoff?
If the opportunity presents itself, and staff is able and willing to assist, and it fits into your work, why not? If it provides a more memorable night for the customer...that's the important thing.
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On 2012-08-27 17:08, imgic wrote: I always thought so. Years ago I was performing at a Christmas party for an automotive group: 1,500 employees from more than a dozen dealerships. I came to one table where three women were sitting, and, after introducing myself, I asked if any of the women were married; it turned out that all three were. I asked the first to think of her husband's name, I concentrated a bit, and said that it was John. Nailed it! I asked the second to concentrate on her husband's name, I thought long and hard, and said that it was Doug. Nailed it! I moved to the third, following the now well-known pattern, and said that her husband's name was Brian. Close: it was Blaine. Sigh. Shortly thereafter, the husbands arrived. You remember the husbands: the three gentlemen I met at the bar when I needed a drink of water: the three husbands who suggested that I entertain their wives who were sitting at a table outside. It's all about the experience for the customer. |
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MichaelDouglas Special user Portland, Oregon 766 Posts |
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On 2012-08-27 17:25, S2000magician wrote: Ha! S2K, you are one sneeky guy....lol And to think....you didn't even use a server to help with the effect! |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On 2012-08-27 17:50, MichaelDouglas wrote: Thanks, Michael! It was a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity; I can only hope that the husbands didn't spill the beans. Quote:
On 2012-08-27 17:50, MichaelDouglas wrote: Not literally, but in the same spirit. |
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bishthemagish Inner circle 6013 Posts |
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On 2012-08-27 16:52, S2000magician wrote: I see we differ... Quote:
On 2012-08-27 17:08, imgic wrote: I don't understand your cut off? However a magic bar was a place that had a group of bartenders that did magic. They were magic bartenders. The New York Lounge was such a place and in it there was a group of Bar Magicians and Heba Haba Al was one of them. In Schuliens. Houdini's pub, Mr C's Magic Lounge they had several magicians that performed at the tables. Not just one guy performing on a single night. In a place that the owner of the place is into magic and employs several magicians - I understand that a magician can team up - and even use the servers (however I would not). And I explained this before - if a magician is the only person performing I still don't see the need. And I will try to explain why? This is my opinion... When I am booked to perform in a place I am booked because I am "the magician". I come in do my stuff and charge a fee. Not everyone can do that. When an audience at a table sees me perform I want to leave that table with them "entertained" and them knowing (feeling) that they were entertained by a professional (with skills). Now I read in a book that T N Downs used a special gimmick to vanish ten coins. Vernon told this story in one of his books. T N Downs did not want to show Vernon the gimmick - He kept telling Vernon that he was a pure sleight of hand performer and did not need gimmicks. The supposed reason was that he did not want to hurt his rep among magicians. Now that is what I consider one of the paradoxes in magic. Now my question is - and why I would avoid using a server to load something for me is because I would not want the server thinking that I need other people to do some card tricks (or some other effects). I would not want a server to think that magic is easy. (And I am not knocking anyone bay saying this). Doing close up in a restaurant for any length of time is not easy. It is not an easy job. It is a fun job when your young - but when your older the fun can go away and it is not easy. Now my question is could it damage the rep of a magician if they used servers to load stuff for them in a non magic restaurant? What would an owner, other servers or the lay audience think of this? Because I feel that word would get around to the other servers. And if I may add - one of the things that is a advantage of doing things that are skillful like the cups and balls is in my opinion. Even if an audience member or a server catches a flash of a load from another table - they still could not do the trick - and it does them little good - because even if they catch a flash - they have to admire the skill it takes for the magician to pull it off. Please keep that in mind when your reading the above two paragraphs please.
Glenn Bishop Cardician
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
If the server loads the card, they still can't force a card to do the trick. They can't control the card to the top and they can't palm it off. By your own logic, this passes the test.
But nobody is telling you that you must do this. Just that it is one way to do things.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On 2012-08-27 19:03, bishthemagish wrote: Why must they admire the magician's skill when the magician blows it? You're correct: we differ. If by that you mean that we each have a valid position, well . . . again, we differ. |
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Doc Eason V.I.P. Aspen Colorado 429 Posts |
Boy! now I remember why I don't hang out here. cya
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
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On 2012-08-27 20:23, Doc Eason wrote: How are you doing Doc? I got one of your bar magic DVDs. Really enjoyed watching it. I'd ask for your autograph if we were talking in person instead of on a forum. Hope all is well!
"Never fear shadows. They simply mean there is a light shining somewhere nearby." -unknown
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
The live DVD from the Tower is one of the most entertaining you can watch in all of magic.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
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On 2012-08-27 22:17, Dannydoyle wrote: Where can you get that DVD (boy I must sound like a sucker for a magic dealer salesman the way I am talking)? Who does it have on it?
"Never fear shadows. They simply mean there is a light shining somewhere nearby." -unknown
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Dimitri Mystery Artist Veteran user Israel/Ukraine 355 Posts |
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On 2012-08-27 22:17, Dannydoyle wrote: Totally!!! |
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