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Give me a mnute to write it.
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Cellini was one of the greatest gifts I have ever been given. However we didn't end good. It was a business thing and it just sucked. But I loved Cellini to the day he died and I miss him to this day. It's my greatest regret that I didn't fix it.

But cellini was a gypsy and truly didn't get the world. He taught me a lot. But the biggest lesson was how to be free. If in fact Cellini said things about me to you it was out of
Frustration. Which I understand.

Bu I'm confident in the meaning of that statement...there's no art without money. I know this for a fact......
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Wow thanks for the honesty.
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By the way gypsies get the world better than you might think.
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It's not a critism
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Fair enough
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What are you doing to insure that your card tricks aren't boring?

By making fun of the boring ones and showing how transparent they are all the while fooling the pants or other garments off watchers.
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On 2012-09-04 10:28, Kozmo wrote:
...there's no art without money. I know this for a fact......


There's much truth to this statement, without money the "artist" cannot continue to display his/her art. Jimmy, let's face it, it's not "making money" that's at the nub of this. It's not even "making a lot of money," who wouldn't want to do that? Buskers hope for fat hats, right? What the nub of the problem here is that the people/acts that trouble you are all of the Gazzo copycats and when you discuss it with them they are coming up with the old adage that "the ends justifies the means." So here's a question that I fervently hope you will answer: Do these discussions take place as a result of them coming to you for criticism or advice? If not, then it's never going to work. However if they ask you then you are obligated to tell them what you think, how you feel, and hopefully all in a positive vein.

Whenever I or somebody else asks my mentor what he thought of a certain trick, routine, or show, most of the time he qualifies his answer by asking them this question: "Do you want me to be honest, or just try to make you feel good?" When he asks that you know that odds are really good you're not going to like what you hear, but it's probably what you need to hear. He then starts out with something that he liked, or a positive if possible. Then he points out what he saw as a trouble spot/spots. Once, during a "stage competition" at our club I did Cellini's version of Cups & Balls. On the ride back home I asked him what he thought of it. After the preliminary question back from him I responded that I wanted the truth...and gritted my teeth. This is what he told me.

"Rick, that act is not you! Cellini used some "blue" material that doesn't fit your persona. You're better than that and I hope you take it to heart and do something more fitting to who you are." How could I argue with that? I do understand your frustration Jimmy, however people like that will always be around us, just keep on doing what you're doing and maybe they'll understand...just hope they don't become "Jimmy clones!" Smile

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I once saw a picture of Cellini,
I met Cellini and showed it to him, he said, "No, that's Richard Timothy Sullivan".
He went ahead and autographed it anyway....
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Thank you sir richard.

I have something for everyone to think about.

please read this very closely, it is very subtle:

-of course, we need to make money when we go out there.

BUT.

our motive, our goal, our aim, should be the quality of our show *FIRST*

this is the most important thing.
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And yes the thread was made because of the overwhelming emails and people contacting me that were all doing the same thing and asking me if it was original.


any way I'm going to sign off for a while.

thanks for listening.
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Don't let Kozmo scare you off Jimmy.
I know stuff too.....
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Ironically my full time job in the quality area. Quality is best defined as meeting the needs of your Customers. If customers are happy with orginal shows, or they're happy with clones (of whatever variety)...ultimately it's up to the customer.

Going back to the painter analogy. There will always be people wanting Elvis on Black Velvet, or Dogs Playing Poker. Jimmy, you want us all to be creating (or working towards) original works on par with the Picasso.

But regardless of how customers' needs are being met, those producing are in it to make money. They seek to fulfill customer needs in order to make money.

The two go hand in hand...meet or exceed customer needs, make more money. Make money by satisfying customer needs.
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Cellini was one of the greatest gifts I have ever been given. However we didn't end good. It was a business thing and it just sucked.


So when money is involved character, friendship, being a good dude to one another goes out the window?
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On 2012-09-03 23:11, Gary T. wrote:
Oh, I typed my last response before I refreshed and saw what was wrote last, you're right about the age bit, that's an obstical I didn't take into account, it's not really a problem where I'm at now but it will be at places like the festival


Gary,

3d rabbits are more than worth considering here for those you think cards won't fly for! Smile Best wishes. Smile
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Ha! Smile
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If I had five dollars and Chuck Norris had five dollars, I would have ten dollars because Chuck Norris would never take someone else's money.


That's something like what I was thinkin', ed!
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On 2012-09-04 10:28, Kozmo wrote:
Bu I'm confident in the meaning of that statement...there's no art without money. I know this for a fact......


Of course their is art without money!
Art knows no boundaries or limitations, Art is the most powefull force of human expression.
I may be persuaded if one said "Their is no money with out art"
Think about it for a moment.
Art is the creative force behind all of what humanity creates, both what we perceive to be good, bad and money.
Mario

PS, May Cellini rest in peace.
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No fatthatter....It doesn't ....who sad anyone was wrong. I know who was wrong but it shouldn't be discussed here.
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