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I just have one question,
Do you really go by "Sir Richard" during your normal duties and errands?

If you answer in the affirmative, it's going to open up a whole slew of questions.

p.s. I believe he goes by Fathatter not Madhatter,Sir.
Some folks think I have a "Fat Head" so I guess I could go by Fat Header, Hmmmm?
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I hear your pain Jimmy ... but again ... your success is based on what you do, not what anyone else does.

I would stop worrying about other people and stay focused on yourself; when you focus on what other people are doing, you lose focus on what you are doing.

Besides ... not everyone on the sidewalk is cloning Gazzo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uF5g3vgNoCY

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On 2012-08-25 11:49, jimmy talksalot wrote:

ever seen the marlo one, he made that trick fun...instead of like math class with a hang over.


Yup. Racherbaumer fried me with that at Bennigan's, and was compassionate enough to teach it to me. That is some more outside the box thinking! I'm not talking about that trick. You know the one I'm talking about. The counting! The counting!
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I'm with fathatter on this one.

we aren't selling insurance any more, different job.

I can't clean the bathroom and expect applause from the stage because it worked as a janiter.

nobody cares weather you do this, but we thought it friendly to tell you the correct way.

by the way the police would never tell you to be more creative and original.

do what you want, I don't care if you do it wrong I just want to get the message out how to do it right.

your generation is showing I might add.
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On 2012-08-25 21:48, Eduardo wrote:
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On 2012-08-25 21:39, Sir Richard wrote:
Yeah, I know Art...lets see, there was Art Linkletter, Art Godfrey, Art Miller, Art Garfunckle....!

Sir Richard.


That some great stuff to your show...
Like I said, I do comedy, you don't know the half of what my show is like. But it works really well.

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On 2012-08-25 21:50, Devious wrote:
I just have one question,
Do you really go by "Sir Richard" during your normal duties and errands?

If you answer in the affirmative, it's going to open up a whole slew of questions.

p.s. I believe he goes by Fathatter not Madhatter,Sir.
Some folks think I have a "Fat Head" so I guess I could go by Fat Header, Hmmmm?
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Do you do the dame with "Devious?"

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On 2012-08-26 04:40, jimmy talksalot wrote:
I'm with fathatter on this one.

we aren't selling insurance any more, different job.

I can't clean the bathroom and expect applause from the stage because it worked as a janiter.

nobody cares weather you do this, but we thought it friendly to tell you the correct way.

by the way the police would never tell you to be more creative and original.

do what you want, I don't care if you do it wrong I just want to get the message out how to do it right.

your generation is showing I might add.
Wrong Jimmy! The Sales principles are the same no matter what you sell, and you are selling sir! You're selling your show every time you busk. You're trying to sell people here on the idea that "Gazzo's C & B" is overdone. You should study up on Zig Ziglar's CDs on Sales, they could really help you!

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On 2012-08-26 09:36, Sir Richard wrote:
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On 2012-08-25 21:50, Devious wrote:
I just have one question,
Do you really go by "Sir Richard" during your normal duties and errands?
If you answer in the affirmative, it's going to open up a whole slew of questions.
Do you do the dame with "Devious?"

Sir Richard.


I was referring to the SIR part not the Richard part in case you missed it.

Yes, I have been known to do dames, whilst they call me Devious.

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Since you asked and may not know what Devious means, here goes;

I was given the monicker ~Devious~ by Michael Close after playing many practical jokes
during a S.A.M. Convention many years back. The magicians at the event kept calling
me that and it just sort of stuck, thanks for giving me an opportunity to share that.
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On 2012-08-26 10:31, Devious wrote:
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On 2012-08-26 09:36, Sir Richard wrote:
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On 2012-08-25 21:50, Devious wrote:
I just have one question,
Do you really go by "Sir Richard" during your normal duties and errands?

If you answer in the affirmative, it's going to open up a whole slew of questions.

p.s. I believe he goes by Fathatter not Madhatter,Sir.
Some folks think I have a "Fat Head" so I guess I could go by Fat Header, Hmmmm?
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Do you do the dame with "Devious?"

Sir Richard.


I was referring to the SIR part not the Richard part in case you missed it.

Yes, I have been known to do dames, whilst they call me Devious.

I was given the monicker ~Devious~ by Michael Close after playing many practical jokes
during a S.A.M. Convention many years back. The magicians at the event kept calling
me that and it just sort of stuck, thanks for giving me an opportunity to share that.
1st, "madhatter" was a typo, my apologies. 2nd, no I don't go by SIR Richard anyplace but in performance. My real name lacks the "zing" I felt that it needed in show business. My last name is unpronounceable to most people and this seems to work better. I got the idea from a hair stylist/barber we have here in town who's name is Larry, but his business is called "Sir Lawrence." Besides, Jimmy Tals-a-lot and Devious were already taken. Smile
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On 2012-08-26 10:31, Devious wrote:

I was given the monicker ~Devious~ by Michael Close after playing many practical jokes
during a S.A.M. Convention many years back. The magicians at the event kept calling
me that and it just sort of stuck, thanks for giving me an opportunity to share that.


What a great story! Thanks for sharing that. I always wanted to ask you...now I know!!
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I was in sales for years I already know about zig ziglar and I've been to umpteen sales course, this is theater and being a magician, which zig didn't teach.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, theater is not a gimmick to extract money out of people it's an experience for the sake of the experience. sure there's money involved in "show BUSINESS", but that's missing the whole point.
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On 2012-08-26 11:57, jimmy talksalot wrote:
I was in sales for years I already know about zig ziglar and I've been to umpteen sales course, this is theater and being a magician, which zig didn't teach.

this is exactly what I'm talking about, theater is not a gimmick to extract money out of people it's an experience for the sake of the experience. sure there's money involved in "show BUSINESS", but that's missing the whole point.
You're still in sales Jimmy, maybe not for money, but sales just the same. And if you don't think theater and sales is the same you're wrong. When I was selling insurance somebody asked me If I was ever going to get out of it. I replied "What? And give up show business?" We have our presentation (patter), our location (pitch) which usually was a kitchen table; and "hat lines...ergo "closing"...asking for the money! Maybe the point for you isn't the money but you can't speak for every other magician. I don't see David Copperfield as a pauper! On his DVD Kozmo flatly stated that he had to make enough money for his family to replace the income he willingly gave up when he left his job at MIT. Try and get Bill Malone to do a gig "Pro Bono"...it ain't gonna happen.

Now I realize that the whole point of this thread was about all of the "Gazzo Clones" out there busking and doing a poor job copying Gazzo's every move and gag, and if you'll wander back to where I 1st started you'll see that I agreed with you. However if what I'm doing works for me then I'd be an idiot to quit doing it. Just sayin'....

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I'll talk money guy speak for you then. we are not talking about the sale end, but the QUALITY PRODUCT end. when your desinging a car and putiing it together on the assembly line, your not selling it at that moment, your working on quality control. and that's what I'm talking about.

if your busy trying to sell it while your making it, there's gonna be a quality control problem. I learned zig, you learn theater speak.

Posted: Aug 26, 2012 2:02pm
And I think I'm done here. if you want to sell amway and call it your magic show I don't care.

bye.
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I'm just gonna start by saying I've only been doing magic for about 3 years, and I'm not very creative or original, most of the times I've attempted to create something failed miserably, with the exception of a couple card tricks, so I'm not great at creating magic, but this is my view on it.

I saw a youtube video the other day of a guy doing a silent cups and balls on the street, it was pretty cool, he probably got the idea of doing it silent from Teller, but at least he wasn't copying Gazzo like nearly every other video on youtube does. I personally like Gazzo, he does what he does, it's entertaining, and he apparently gets away with his incredibly open loading method, probably by the amount of talking he does, I'm not sure. but he gets the job done and he's funny, even knowing how it's done I enjoy his performance, but I can't say the same about all of his imitators haha. often times the problem is not only that they copy his routine, but that they copy it badly, they're not nearly as ballsy as Gazzo and it doesn't work for them.

I'm still working on my cups and balls routine but I don't see the point in copying his routine. seriously, for what I think was like 10 bux on ebay I got a set of plastic cups with a DVD teaching slieghts from magic makers, then my friend found a small book on it he gave to me, I know all the slieghts Gazzo uses, which clearly is enough to create a good routine, so why, with all of the material available so cheap, do people need to copy Gazzo's presentation? learn the stuff and then make it your own. I do like a couple of Gazzo's jokes tho, and might have to throw one in, because lets be real, the bit about the numbers being printed on the bottom of the ball is completely genius.

I personally don't see the need for a giant pouch so I can load six oranges and a mellon, why milk the cow for two gallons when you only need half a pint to make your cereal? I can put on a pair of baggy Cargo jean shorts and fit 4 pool balls in my pocket without them being a problem, and I don't have to look like an idiot wearing an oversized fanny pack, (no word on how I look wearing jean shorts after the 90's). I'm not gonna pretend I'm not gonna be influenced by Gazzo a little bit, I probably will, I love his act, but if my routine looks like a gazzo knock off then I've probaby failed.

P.S. I typed all of this and more at like 4am then the site decided to update or something and I lost it all, this is the bits I remember being thrown back together trying to get on the same train of thought I had then haha. oh, and does anybody know how to set down a pool ball load without making a thunk and without using a padded table? I'm sure it can be done, I just don't know how.
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On 2012-08-26 14:02, jimmy talksalot wrote:
And I think I'm done here. if you want to sell amway and call it your magic show I don't care.

bye.
(confused)What's wrong with Amway?

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On 2012-08-26 14:00, jimmy talksalot wrote:
I'll talk money guy speak for you then.

we are not talking about the sale end, but the QUALITY PRODUCT end.

when your desinging a car and putiing it together on the assembly line, your not selling it at that moment, your working on quality control.

and that's what I'm talking about.

if your busy trying to sell it while your making it, there's gonna be a quality control problem.

I learned zig, you learn theater speak.
Two halves of the same whole. Yes, I want to get paid for performing, my wife and I have our shameless additions, like a roof over our head and food on the table. So I guess in the end I'm just a shameless wh*re. And for the record I don't have a quality control problem. Did you miss all the times when I said that it was working? BTW, you've never seen me perform so you're not qualified to have an opinion on my show. I also asked several questions which you never answered. I'll just end here by saying "break a leg!"
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I'm just gonna start by saying I've only been doing magic for about 3 years, and I'm not very creative or original, most of the times I've attempted to create something failed miserably, with the exception of a couple card tricks, so I'm not great at creating magic, but this is my view on it.

I saw a youtube video the other day of a guy doing a silent cups and balls on the street, it was pretty cool, he probably got the idea of doing it silent from Teller, but at least he wasn't copying Gazzo like nearly every other video on youtube does. I personally like Gazzo, he does what he does, it's entertaining, and he apparently gets away with his incredibly open loading method, probably by the amount of talking he does, I'm not sure. but he gets the job done and he's funny, even knowing how it's done I enjoy his performance, but I can't say the same about all of his imitators haha. often times the problem is not only that they copy his routine, but that they copy it badly, they're not nearly as ballsy as Gazzo and it doesn't work for them.

I'm still working on my cups and balls routine but I don't see the point in copying his routine. seriously, for what I think was like 10 bux on ebay I got a set of plastic cups with a DVD teaching slieghts from magic makers, then my friend found a small book on it he gave to me, I know all the slieghts Gazzo uses, which clearly is enough to create a good routine, so why, with all of the material available so cheap, do people need to copy Gazzo's presentation? learn the stuff and then make it your own. I do like a couple of Gazzo's jokes tho, and might have to throw one in, because lets be real, the bit about the numbers being printed on the bottom of the ball is completely genius.

I personally don't see the need for a giant pouch so I can load six oranges and a mellon, why milk the cow for two gallons when you only need half a pint to make your cereal? I can put on a pair of baggy Cargo jean shorts and fit 4 pool balls in my pocket without them being a problem, and I don't have to look like an idiot wearing an oversized fanny pack, (no word on how I look wearing jean shorts after the 90's). I'm not gonna pretend I'm not gonna be influenced by Gazzo a little bit, I probably will, I love his act, but if my routine looks like a gazzo knock off then I've probaby failed.

P.S. I typed all of this and more at like 4am then the site decided to update or something and I lost it all, this is the bits I remember being thrown back together trying to get on the same train of thought I had then haha. oh, and does anybody know how to set down a pool ball load without making a thunk and without using a padded table? I'm sure it can be done, I just don't know how.
Right on! I also enjoy watching Gazzo, he really cracks me up, but I'm not him! If I tried to do his act using all the jabs he does I'd get lynched! Good luck on the billard balls. You'll just have to learn to set them down oh so gently. Smile

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I always thought someone should do a cups and buds act. Not on the street of course though.
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I think what the problem here is that there are 3 types of street magicians.

1. Good magicians with bad sales skills.

2. Bad magicians with good sales skills.

3. Good magicians with good sales skills.

Now, when I say good or bad magician, I am not talking about just your CHOPS, I am talking about your ability to entertain an audience and your Chops. Otherwise I would have to make several more categories.

We won't talk about the first category at all. We will only discuss the second two. A good salesman can sell anything. It doesn't matter if it is crap. He may not get repeat business but why does it matter if he is a bad magician that is selling something to people in a tourist area where he is very unlikely to see the same people twice?

A good magician with good sales skills will be uber successful no matter where he is. He will get repeat business and he will have people like him because he sold them a quality product.

There are plenty of "entertainers" who do not write their own material both magical and otherwise. There are many singers whose songs are written by someone else, there are many actors and comedians who don't write there own material. There are magicians like David Copperfield and Chriss Angel who have teams that write material for them.

Think about it, Magic is one of the HARDEST entertaining arts that exists. The reason is that you don't just have to learn magic, you also have to learn acting, comedy, entertaining, etc. If you add to this the requirement that the Magician also has to be a successful writer, there just wouldn't be very many Magicians in the world. There are so few people that can do all of that it's just not likely that many would succeed.

I like to make things my own. I try, but I can't always do it. Not perfectly. I strive to create my own material, but Jimmy, you can probably agree that when you first take something to the streets, 3 months later it will likely not look anything like what you took out the first day, not the patter, jokes, or even the magic. It takes time and effort to create a successful routine. Most people just can't or won't do it.
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Yesterday I saw a most impressive C&B display by Paul in Covent Garden. Nothing like Gazzo's, VERY clever and a real joy to watch. How he keeps his loads organised heaven only knows. Wonderful!

As for me I think I will put my act on here for you guys to throw rocks at.....and I don't mean that in a bad way. I think the feedback will be interesting/useful. Some of it may hurt....but that doesn't mean it will be wrong!

Me - I'm still striving. Thank goodness busking is not my day job....the roof over my head would be long gone. I think I could make more begging!

Danny
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It's not that "I can't," it's that I learned sometime back that you can't argue with success.


I apologize for my mistake. It's not you can't it's you won't. IMHO that's even worse. You're cheating yourself and your audience.

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You seem to think you're one of the better ones, and you well may be.

If doing what a Magician should do makes me a "better one" then OK, I'll take that yolk.


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However just look at how many magicians there are out there NOT being that creative compared to the relatively few that are!

That's the point Sir. Look at how many there are! Doing my part not to be one of them. Trying to get the word out to others about the dark side and how it corrupts. Yes, Dark Side & Corruption. Would be a great name for a band with a female lead, lol.



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And by following what I'm doing I'm getting more bookings. Just got another one yesterday, as a matter of fact.

This is the rub right here. I don't get bookings. I don't solicit bookings. I don't even want bookings. I'm what they call a busker these days, a street performers if you will, a traveling theurgist if you won't. I go out and perform I don't sell tickets. Those that are attracted to my show see it, enjoy it (for the most part), and compensate me accordingly. My job is to be true to myself and my audience. They know the real deal when they see it. Even if it's not a highly polished deal they know it's real. I perform this way because I've had enough of corporate B.S. and commercial crap. This is where I'm coming from.
Do you busk Sir? Go out and do a show pro bono, draw your own audience, keep them & entertain them, watch some walk away, deal with law enforcement, deal with social environment, deal with weather, etc. ?

You wrote about meeting your goals. Do any of them have anything to do with busking?
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FatHatter,

bravo and thank you.

brilliant.
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