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On 2012-09-04 14:38, Mario Morris wrote:
Of course their is art without money!
Art knows no boundaries or limitations, Art is the most powefull force of human expression.
I may be persuaded if one said "Their is no money with out art"
Think about it for a moment.
Art is the creative force behind all of what humanity creates, both what we perceive to be good, bad and money.
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Without getting into the semantics of all of this...Art cannot be produced without money to support it. Kid's drawing on sidewalk need to be fed and chalk bought. Buskers on the street don't go out day after day without sometype of money to support them.

That is why you sell your DVD set for $77, or enroll students at $357 for 3 days. You want to produce art, you want others to produce art...but money is needed to do so.

And, sorry, can't help it...Art is not a trait that drives behavior. Art is a product of Creativity. Creativity is the force that drives art, invention and more...
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I've taken a vow of poverty, to annoy me, send money! Smile

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Imgic, no need to be sorry!
I think this thread is now dead at least it is for me.
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[quote]On 2012-09-04 15:10, imgic wrote:
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On 2012-09-04 14:38, Mario Morris wrote:
Of course their is art without money!
Art knows no boundaries or limitations, Art is the most powefull force of human expression.
I may be persuaded if one said "Their is no money with out art"
Think about it for a moment.
Art is the creative force behind all of what humanity creates, both what we perceive to be good, bad and money.
Mario

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Without getting into the semantics of all of this...Art cannot be produced without money to support it. Kid's drawing on sidewalk need to be fed and chalk bought. Buskers on the street don't go out day after day without sometype of money to support them.

That is why you sell your DVD set for $77, or enroll students at $357 for 3 days. You want to produce art, you want others to produce art...but money is needed to do so.

And, sorry, can't help it...Art is not a trait that drives behavior. Art is a product of Creativity. Creativity is the force that drives art, invention and more...


You have nothing to be sorry about. That's a perfect statement of the situation.

The problem is when some people lose sight of the original goal begin believing that the aquiering (sp) of money IS the goal.

Or as Harlan Ellison once put it; "You have to climb a mountain of manure (not the word he used, but the word the Café will let me put in) to pick one perfect rose at the top. And when you've made that horrible climb, you discover you've lost your sense of smell."
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On 2012-09-04 14:48, Kozmo wrote:
No fatthatter....It doesn't ....who sad anyone was wrong. I know who was wrong but it shouldn't be discussed here.


To my knowledge you are the first to use the word wrong and that is interesting.
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Fathatter. Stop pressing Kozmo. Not only is it off topic (and that's saying a lot for this meandering thread). But it's also inappropriate. Kozmo is a stand up guy who, along with Jimmy, have done more to share and support others than you can imagine.
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Kozmo I know, Jimmy I know, Gazzo I know, Cellini I knew...all to briefly...who's Fathatter?

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A guy who apparently closes his eyes when his picture is taken!
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Fathatter. Stop pressing Kozmo.


Inquiring minds want to know. Kozmo brought it up, I responded with an obvious question. For myself I can say that "it's a business deal" doesn't mean it's not still a people deal especially when a friend is involved.

imgic when I ask you a question you can blow me off.
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Fat, you really don't realize what an @ss you're making of yourself. Was just trying to help you out...

Willing to bet Kozmo has forgotten more about busking than you'll ever know. He's a great resource, and has replied to PMs very graciously. By poking him in public, what are the odds that he'll help you out? You're cutting off a valuable resource..not to mention dailing down the fun factor of the Café.
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If asking an obvious question makes me an ass well so be it. I would suggest that if someone doesn't want something discussed they shouldn't bring it up.
How much a person knows or doesn't about busking has no bearing on this imgic. I was responding to how money got in between friendship. For the record I don't need or want help from Kozmo, or you for that matter. If Kozmo chooses to leave this forum that's his business and as for fun, who made you the decider?
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Kozmo I know, Jimmy I know, Gazzo I know, Cellini I knew...all to briefly...who's Fathatter?



A man, not to much different from the others you mention.
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Money can easily come between friends. A friend of mine wanted me to go to his 40th birthday party in a castle £300 - I couldn't afford it and didn't attend . He didn't speak with me for years but we sorted it out (he still doesn't believe me, and in any event would have given me the money....which I would not have taken).

Money can easily come between friends. Perceived injustice comes between friends...and perception is different for everyone, and even Solomon could find it hard to judge. I would imagine EVERYONE here has fallen out with a friend for a time over a perceived injustice, and if you haven't then either lucky you or check your memory! Injustice just has to be perceived, it does not even have to be real. All this is off the original thread but sadly pertinent to the way it has gone.

Relative fame is irrelevant to this aspect of the thread. Humanity, compassion and realising that we all F*** up is highly relevant. If we are lucky we get time to make amends or clear the mess up. Sadly that doesn't always happen.
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On 2012-09-04 13:34, FatHatter wrote:
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Cellini was one of the greatest gifts I have ever been given. However we didn't end good. It was a business thing and it just sucked.


So when money is involved character, friendship, being a good dude to one another goes out the window?


You presume an awful lot by posting that, FatHatter. For someone not involved, you used an awful lot of words.

Who said anything about either of them not having good character when money was involved?
Who said that either one of them weren't good dudes?

I was involved in some of the things with Cellini and Kozmo and BOTH of them were good dudes with lots of character and friendship.

It just seemed like two people with a very similar view of the world in some ways, and a very different view in other ways.
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On 2012-09-05 14:03, FatHatter wrote:
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On 2012-09-05 11:51, Sir Richard wrote:
Kozmo I know, Jimmy I know, Gazzo I know, Cellini I knew...all to briefly...who's Fathatter?



A man, not to much different from the others you mention.
The others have paid their dues, I don't know about you, however Kozmo is someone I can learn from. My only regret is that when he did a lecture for our club I was unable to attend. The other members told me what a great lecture I missed and are still talking about it. However, if anybody asks me I'll tell them what a great guy you are...I know you are because you told me so yourself. Smile

Kozmo, please stick around, you can add a lot to this thread.

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You presume an awful lot by posting that, FatHatter. For someone not involved, you used an awful lot of words.


It's fair to interpret, "However we didn't end good. It was a business thing and it just sucked." as money got between us.
Did I get it wrong? Should I not have thought that?


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Who said anything about either of them not having good character when money was involved?
Who said that either one of them weren't good dudes?


I don't know...who?
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The others have paid their dues, I don't know about you...


That's correct Sir, you don't. So you won't be a liar I'll go ahead and tell you, I'm a great guy! Smile
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I know I'm new here, and for that matter younger than pretty much everybody, but I think everybody should really just drop all of this business about the relationship between Kozmo and Cellini, the irrelevance to this thread is only of the problem, I didn't know Cellini but just from what's been posted here I know he's not alive anymore. Now I'm not saying anybody was intentionally saying anything wrong, but if you didn't know the man, and as such don't know anythng about what went on between the two of them, then by jumping in, making assumptions, and talking about things that you're not a part of, you're being disrespectful to the dead. lets steer this thread back onto topic and all agree to leave Cellini and his memory to rest in peace shall we?
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After all, the original people who were talking about it, and that knew anything about it, stopped talking about it over a page ago.
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