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Roslyn Inner circle UK 3405 Posts 
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Dave, in answer to your question it's a flash player thing. The video won't work on my iPhone either.
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dave_matkin Inner circle 4521 Posts
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Nice everyone stays on topic talking business me and Ross know we can't see the film as Samsung ripped of Apple (or some other reason for Apple not using flash).......
I would love to see a cups and balls routine using water filled oil drums, a crane and ken as the ball.  ......... Would we need to genetically engineer Ken to be more ball shaped? ...... Or did you tell me you stopped smoking so are half way there?
And Ian .... I recently attached nothing on you tube for about 3 minutes and wasn't really happy about it after..... But like you said its all down to presentation. |
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jay leslie V.I.P. Southern California 9501 Posts
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On 2012-08-25 04:29, Kondini wrote: Does that mean, if you don't escape, it's your cup that will be chopped?
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Kondini Inner circle 3609 Posts
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Hey Jay are you taking lessons from Dave ??
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dave_matkin Inner circle 4521 Posts
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I taught him eveything I know .... I charge by the day ..... £663679358.0873 per day! Luickily As I taught him ALL I know ..... he only owes me £23.48. Payable in installments over the next 26 years.
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Ian McColl Inner circle 1496 Posts
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On 2012-08-25 11:40, Steve_Mollett wrote: I don't disagree, times are changing and more people are doing smaller shows, less staging and equipment but most of the big, better escapes have the element of mystery which makes them more mind bending and fun. Deval’s packing crate escape from the old courthouse cell was screened by the cell door. To me it was better than his ‘Revolution” (?) roller coaster escape where we saw picks and keys used. Gallup’s death dive was screened by camera distant and angles while he escaped the cuffs, mailbag, jail cell before hitting the ground. Solomon’s bridge and river jumps are masked by the water itself. Nick Janson’s Houdini bomb is mask by the cone cover of the bomb. What I find annoying, is that a blanket claim that audiences wants to see, makes people who want to do escapes just think the audience wants to see them pick locks with any and everything which doesn’t actually open locks. I never find it entertaining when we can see through a container and watch some pretend to pick a lock and get out. Boring, yeah sure people clap and cheer, they also do that when monkeys play with backing at the zoo. Too often people take the easy way out. PS Dave I think you are mixing the red and blue tablets again LOL and stop uploading 3 minutes of unwatchable material, I have seen it all before.
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dave_matkin Inner circle 4521 Posts
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Ian do you think that you are a little immune (cant think of a better way of putting it) to lock picking that isn't realistic? Just thining with all your knowledge about locks and stuff you can spot a fake lock picking a mile off (it grates me when people pick locks in films using just a rake or a pick but don't have a TT). But does the audience realise that one cant pick a lock with ..... say a bobby pin?
Not that I am disagreeing with what you say I just wonder if the audience are 'in the know' enough to realise? And I never upload 3 minutes worth ..... I barely make it past 42 seconds (or are |
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Ian McColl Inner circle 1496 Posts
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Dave, Every profession and every trade who watches anything to do with their respective skill, cringes when it’s done wrong on TV.
My wife is a Mobile Intensive Care Ambulance (MICA) paramedic, nearest thing to being a doctor. Her pet peeve is incorrect procedures and methods in hospital TV shows, like ER, Grey’s, Chicago hope. You might be right that I see more because I know how it should be done, but then I watch others shows on other subjects and I know and see error in them too. Once upon a time, you could get away with anything. Monkey heads were stitched to fish and believed to be true. Iconic pictures that weep are sent as signs by gods. Only some people believe, others need to be convinced. When I started designing escape equipment, it wasn’t to baffle any audience, it was to baffle my peers. In the early days, I would make things which were gimmicked or have a trick method to open them. I will send an EA a handcuff and then ask them, sometimes months later if they have found the gimmick. I was pleased if they hadn’t. One cuff which comes to mind was called a Branson (?) With the power of the internet a quick search will over up many answers. People talk and those who know or think they know tell others. So the bench mark is higher now. People know magic or illusions are a trick, in the main, usually clever one. Escapes are sold as real and should be portrayed as such. Mixing the two means that escapes are just a trick. Therefore, no matter how hard you struggle, how much you sweat. It’s just an trick, with tricky wriggling, fake sweat. And if the spectator knew the TRICK, they could do it themself. I think more thought should go into what people do and really think about what people shouldn’t do in escapes.
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Cliffg37 Inner circle Long Beach, CA 2491 Posts
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There are a couple of escapes I have done that I tell the audience I will do in their full view. It is a lie. Plain and simple. When I am onstage I lie. The audience thinks they have seem me the whole time and they have not. They get caught up in the patter or in trying to predict what will happen next, but as for the gimmicks I use, they see nothing. There is a time and a place for everything, but this is how I think it should be.
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Steve_Mollett Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3006 Posts
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On 2012-08-26 03:59, Ian McColl wrote: That left me a bit confused. What are you recommending specifically?
Author of: GARROTE ESCAPES
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Ian McColl Inner circle 1496 Posts
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That left me a bit confused. What are you recommending specifically? [/quote] Which bit, the top section or the bottom? I recommend more thought over all.
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jay leslie V.I.P. Southern California 9501 Posts
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What I took from the argument is that your venue has something to do with your performance.
A. If people pay 25 dollars to see your show then they'll sit a few minutes even though they can't directly see you - because literally, they are invested. B. if you're working a fair, and must keep the attention of the crowd (so they don't wander away) then eye contact and full-view routines make more sense.
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Kondini Inner circle 3609 Posts
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Another angle >>>> Work the streets to test out your escapes,(You don't have to busk as there are paid busker venues all over). Then the peeps can walk away if they are bored,,,,its up to you to hold them, entertain them and make them want you.
Like a good hooker (Not that I would know of course!!) Some will turn you on while others just don't try hard enough. I often wish I had been born as a woman!!!! Would be worth a fortune by now. Ken. |
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dave_matkin Inner circle 4521 Posts
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You have perfected the sucking a golf ball through a hose pipe then?
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Kondini Inner circle 3609 Posts
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Correct, but not by using my mouth though !!!
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jay leslie V.I.P. Southern California 9501 Posts
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How exactly do you suck a golf ball through your big toe?
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magicofCurtis Inner circle Los Angeles 2545 Posts
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I don't think either way is wrong, but for todays cutting edge requirements I think the full view has a stronger effect.
Curtis Lovell II
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dave_matkin Inner circle 4521 Posts
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Sorry Curtis ..... Are you still on escapes or hae you 'progressed' with the rest of uson to Kens golf ball sucking...... I think that depending on what he is sucking with full view may not be a good idea!!!!!!
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magicofCurtis Inner circle Los Angeles 2545 Posts
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Full view!
Curtis Lovell II
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Steve_Mollett Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3006 Posts
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On 2012-08-26 19:58, Ian McColl wrote: I'm on it! Think-think-think-think-think-think-think-think...! 
Author of: GARROTE ESCAPES
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