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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
PS The greatest card tricks I ever saw were the ones I saw Paul Daniels do on telly when I was a child. The ones that made me gasp, and ultimately want to pick up a pack of cards and learn how to bloody do it.
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MagicofDesperado Elite user 487 Posts |
Steering this thread back toward the intent of the OP- in a survey of magicians decades ago (Hugards Magic Monthly)as to what card tricks magicians thought got their greatest reactions - Out of this World was on virtually every single one of the magicians lists. It was a voluntary poll wherein magicians were asked to name the 5 that gets them the best reactions. Among those volunteering were among some of the legendary magicians.
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Steven Keyl Inner circle Washington, D.C. 2630 Posts |
Ortiz wrote about how effects run the gamut from simple to complex, and methods run from easy to difficult. His contention was that you should always strive to keep the effect simple. The method should be whatever is the most direct route to achieving the effect whether it is difficult or not.
When looking at this thread and others where people list their favorite effects (or ones they think provide the greatest impact), they nearly all have one thing in common--the effect is simple to understand and easy to follow. Of course, the method may not be easy but that is irrelevant. It might be an interesting exercise to come up with classic effects containing a complex plot. I'm sure there are examples but I can't think of any right now. The closest thing I can come up with is Martyn Smith's "Up the Ante". Great trick, but would that qualify as a more complex plot?
Steven Keyl - The Human Whisperer!
B2B Magazine Test! Best impromptu progressive Ace Assembly ever! "If you ever find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause, and reflect." --Mark Twain |
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volto Special user 603 Posts |
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On 2012-09-04 19:42, tomsk192 wrote: Genius. "And here, I'll give you 51p of my own..." |
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magicfish Inner circle 7006 Posts |
Daniels- hands down one of the alltime greats.
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R.E. Byrnes Inner circle 1206 Posts |
"This concept is taught in nearly every single college course on critical thinking."
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RSVP New user A physiologically impossible 35 Posts |
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On 2012-09-04 22:26, Steven Keyl wrote: I don't think so. However if you can produce just THREE double blind scientific studies that have been published in a peer reviewed journal that prove it, I'll apologize and admit I was probably wrong. |
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Steven Youell V.I.P. 3866 Posts |
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On 2012-09-05 11:42, RSVP wrote: Yowser! If you're going to troll, then perhaps you should understand what you quoted and why your quote of Mr. Keyl is something totally different. You must still be in Troll School... SEY |
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El Mystico Special user 573 Posts |
While I agree with SEY's claim, I have to take issue with some of his arguments.
He seems to say it is not possible to prove that powers of attention levels are staying the same: surely it would be as straightforward to produce studies showing this as studies showing the opposite? The methodologies would be similar. he also seems to be saying that the only "claim" is that attention levels are going down; no - it is also a "claim" that attention levels are staying the same. So I'm not sure that anyone has posted any relevant evidence here for either claim, one way or the other. |
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Steven Youell V.I.P. 3866 Posts |
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On 2012-09-05 12:36, El Mystico wrote: First, I did not claim that such studies exist and then fail to cite any of them. The claim was made that there are a substantial number of studies that support the MuscleMagic's statement. I asked him to list three valid scientific studies. So to tell the truth, I'm pretty much agnostic on the entire thing. But when someone makes a claim that is contrary to my personal experience and then claims that study after study supports his claim, I don't think it's out of line to ask to see some of those studies. Particularly when he made that claim several times. Here's what I wrote with the important words in bold: Quote:
On 2012-09-04 05:05, Steven Youell wrote: I should have been more clear. So here ya go: I don't really see any real evidence that the attention span of the average human being has dropped substantially. Not only that, the fact that people sit through two hours movies, rock concerts and regularly watch shows on television that last more than an hour seem to indicate that the attention span of the general public has not dropped substantially. And the only reason I'm discussing this is because...someone said magicians need to change the way they do magic because the attention span of the general population has dropped. When questioned, the individual insisted he was right and that there were numerous scientific studies that prove he was right. Since he was encouraging people to change they way they perform magic, I thought it was pretty fair to insist he provide a partial list of those studies. That's all. SEY |
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Countage Veteran user Charlotte 361 Posts |
I vote for Paul Curry's Out of this World.
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BarryFernelius Inner circle Still learning, even though I've made 2537 Posts |
Part of attention span is nature, our innate capability to pay attention to things, honed over many years of evolution. I don't think that this has changed much recently. (If someone has evidence to the contrary, I'd be happy to listen.)
Part of attention span is nurture, our learned ability to pay attention. I would agree that some folks are being taught to have a shorter attention span by those around them. But you can train someone to have a longer than average attention span as well. My problem as a magician is simple: I need to create a compelling, impossible experience that's worthy of someone's attention. Every moment in the show must matter. Every moment must drive the show forward. There shouldn't be any wasted moments. The better my show is, the less of a problem that I'll have with the attention span of my audience members. And, to move back on topic, I have absolutely no idea what the Greatest Card Trick is. I suppose it's the best card trick that I already know how to do extremely well. This will vary from performer to performer. For me, it's probably Al Baker's Pack That Cuts Itself aka The Haunted Pack.
"To achieve great things, two things are needed: a plan and not quite enough time."
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ApprenticeWizard Regular user Charlottesville, VA 170 Posts |
Most of the postings seem to be way off topic. My vote for the greatest card trick would be either an improptu version of "Out of This World" (e.g. Galaxy) or Ammar's "Paradox Card" handling of Hammand's "The Signed Card".
Magically yours,
Tom Olshefski |
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R.E. Byrnes Inner circle 1206 Posts |
Good call on Haunted Deck. Inserted in a card routine that's had lots of shuffling and casual handling of the deck it's often stunning.
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
You might be thinking of my Impromptu Out Of This World, ApprenticeWizard.
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
http://www.harrylorayne.com http://www.harryloraynemagic.com |
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
I think he means the one from Paul Harris' Art of Astonishment vol. 3 (Wyman Jones?).
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Nitty Gritty New user Sunderland 14 Posts |
That's correct. Galaxy, by Wyman Jones and Paul Harris (TAOA vol 3, page 253). The best version of OOTW ever created.
Nigel Stonehouse Magic
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Albatros Regular user Germany 132 Posts |
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On 2012-09-04 05:10, MuscleMagic wrote: Even before I finish reading all the posts that followed the one I cite - I have to respond to this O.o 30 or even 15 seconds for tv advertising is still way too long since most spots are plainly badly made. Good spots last for over two hours and are called blockbuster movies these days, so I admit theres a shift in society over there. But please don't put the equation bad entertainment = short attention span as the solemn truth. Its too easy to blame the spectator for the performers shortcomings "well this trick sucks because the spectator saw me execute the *insert-secret-move-here*, and I didn't get a tip because of their short attention span..." this, honestly, makes me shiver. No disrespect to anybody, but I am sure a good performer can keep the attention (...even while misdirecting. pun intended xD) All the best, Sven ^^
"Palming cards... Like sex, it can be learned by almost anybody,but doing it well requires some native talent and assiduous practice." (John Scarne)
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korttihai_82 Inner circle Finland 1880 Posts |
Ootw is great in a sense that spectators themselves do it. However I would put my vote on Ambitious card because if can be understood (and even done with blank cards) by those that don't know cards or even by people from totally different culture. I have done it many foreigners that we didn't even share common language and it still registered really well. It also has lots of room for personalisations.
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
You guys might want to check out my Impromptu OOTW, as mentioned above, and also Out of This Universe (although not really an OOTW routine). Fooled the h*ll out of Paul Curry with it.
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
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