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Christopher Lyle Inner circle Dallas, Texas 5698 Posts |
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On 2012-09-17 10:11, Nutz4Tutz wrote: :) Seems like every month or two, this same topic of discussion is started, and I don't understand why. Not trying to be disrespectful here, but who cares what everyone else opens with. What works us all of us likely won't work for you. There are some people that would never open with a card trick...but Jon Armstrong would disagree since all he does is Cards. To each their own I guess, but these threads just seem to be a waste of space. Again, not trying to be disrespectful, just sayin'...
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TheRaven Special user 597 Posts |
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
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On 2012-09-15 01:55, Zombie Magic wrote: That trick has many many many benefits.
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Magic Patrick Inner circle Minnesota 1591 Posts |
I always start with Jon Allen's Double Back. It kills them every time so far.
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Countage Veteran user Charlotte 361 Posts |
Ok I am going to switch from the fire wallet to the fire book. LOL
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bunkyhenry Special user NYC Metro 828 Posts |
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On 2012-09-17 11:32, Christopher Lyle wrote: I care. Always looking for ideas and improvement. |
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AndyLuka Elite user Milwaukee, Wisconsin 440 Posts |
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On 2012-09-17 00:41, pepka wrote: Pepka, I have read a lot of posts by you, I tend to agree with you almost every time. But I strongly disagree with that statement. I see and understand where you are coming from. However, that may be true for some magicians out there It is not true for everyone. A few months back I was at a David Stone Lecture and he told us when he worked restaurants he would use a fire wallet as an opener for larger tables to get everyone’s attention. So if your statement is true, David Stone lacks not only a personality, but he does not have chops. This past Saturday I was hired for a corporate gig, doing strolling magic at tables, there was a DJ playing music, and the venue was rather loud. I used my fire wallet a lot when I approached tables, it worked better than me walking up and trying to scream over the DJ and the 400 guests in the banquet room. I do not consider myself to be one of the best prestidigitators around, but my mentor is a member of FFFF, and he has taught me well. So if my chops are ok, then according to your statement, I must not have a personality when I perform. If that was true, then my years of college were pointless. Getting a degree in television and video production, producing and directing 4 shows that aired on the local PBS station, and having worked on countless other PBS programs means I know nothing about performing, entertainment, and what people enjoy in a program. It does not matter if it’s a TV program, or our 5min of table side magic. Either way the goal is to entertain. A magician should be judged by how well his audience was entertained, not by which effects he did or did not perform. It is very unfortunate you had a bad experience with a fire wallet. I feel for the family. But next thing you are going to take color changing knives out of your routine because someone may get scared you have a weapon. Or taking sponge balls out of your routine because the red balls reminds someone of clowns, and they suffer from Coulrophobia.
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Countage Veteran user Charlotte 361 Posts |
I use the fire wallet in the restaurants quite often. It can be played out. I have got to tables an hour and half into the shift and they knew what was coming. Nights that I have forgotten that prop were good training to use other things.. However I still stand by the fire wallet
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AdamChance Special user 656 Posts |
What about just using a bit of flash paper to make your first effect appear?
even if you're just opening with a card trick... you can just try to sorta palm the deck, hold a little piece of flash paper... light it on fire, make the deck appear, then go into your card routine. maybe a cool 3 fly routine where you use flash paper to produce the coins would be good... kinda like eric jones does. you could produce one coin with flash paper, hand it out to the closest person to examine/look at... then when everyone's head has turned, thinking they've missed something cool... you can produce a second and/or third coin the same way with flash paper. even if it's a big table, you can just quietly go up to someone, and put three little scraps of paper down on their table.. .tell him that they are your coins. after you light the first one on fire, everyone will probably be looking. also... with regards to the poster above me... I could understand how the fire wallet would lose its luster if people have seen you do it from across the room a bunch of times. but if people saw you appearing coins or something else out of flash paper from across the room... they would probably be excited to see it up close. nobody (myself especially included) gets tired of watching flash paper burn. |
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AdamChance Special user 656 Posts |
Two tricks going on my christmas list that I want to use for my openers are Industrial Revelation and Ignition. (industrial revelation as an opener if I want to perform a serious magic routine.... ignition if I just want to fool around and don't have many props on me).
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AndyLuka Elite user Milwaukee, Wisconsin 440 Posts |
By no means am I saying you should or have to use a wallet, and I agree you should not be depended on it. Because it can and will lose its suprise factor. As stated earlier I have have also used flash paper to make coins, silks, and a deck of cards appear. Like pepka I usually walk up and just introduce myself. However sometimes it's fun to spice things up.
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puggo Inner circle 2022 Posts |
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On 2012-10-01 20:44, AdamChance wrote: For me, Industrial revelation seems to play a lot stronger (more magic less puzzle) when I have performed at least one other effect first... It is a great prop. |
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magicom New user 14 Posts |
I agree that a Fire Wallet can be most effective. I have just started using it in walk around, and get a great response.
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tboehnlein Inner circle ohio 1787 Posts |
Production of a bottle or can opener, followed by the line "that is is my opener folks" , hmm that just might work
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nonvpro Inner circle 1844 Posts |
Can anyone say Johnny Ace Palmer!
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AdamChance Special user 656 Posts |
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On 2012-10-02 13:36, puggo wrote: good point. sometimes I don't mind presenting tricks like this as puzzles... but I have a feeling that you're right about it playing stronger when not performed as an opener puzzle trick. I might try a more quick and visual trick as an opener like a 3 fly routine... or ring thing + ring on string or something like that. then go into industrial revelation in the middle of the routine. I remember someone in this forum explained how they use industrial revelation as sort of an opener to a mentalism routine where they start off by saying "i want to show you something impossible to open your mind to the possibility of the impossible" or something along those lines. I really liked that idea. when presented with that patter... it could be a good transition from visual magic tricks to more mentalism types of tricks. start off entertaining them with fun visual magic... puzzle them with industrial revelation... then blow their mind with mentalism. a chop cup routine could be a good opener as well I think as long as you've got some other good stuff to back it up with and ultimately close with something even stronger. you wouldn't want to open with a killer chop cup routine and then have your set go straight downhill from there. but opening with a great trick I think is the way to go. something impressive, fun and visual, but not overly mind blowing. whenever I don't use my quantum bender as a closer, sometimes they don't pay as much attention to the rest of my set because they're too busy trying to bend their quarter back. I might try this as a set: 1. chop cup 2. stand up monte 3. industrial revelation 4. invisible deck 5. quantum bender. none of those tricks are particularly difficult... I guess the chop cup is the hardest, especially doing it stand up. but just going around doing just those 5 tricks... you could have a pretty solid 10 minute routine that would be appropriate for most close up environments... and you could probably make a pretty good living just doing those tricks over and over again at restaurants. |
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trancework New user 28 Posts |
This is great stuff, thanks!
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cablerock Veteran user 362 Posts |
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On 2012-10-05 11:43, tboehnlein wrote: Haha, I love this. I think that the right person could make this work brilliantly. When I was playing in a band regularly, we used to put a big industrial fan on stage to keep us cool. We introuduced it as 'our biggest fan'. |
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