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Balaram
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Anyone know why the post about Kotah's Opium Coins was removed? Smile
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I noticed it was missing to think it was deleted? I was just posting reviews of some of his items and when I refreshed it was gone.
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Could be the reference to an opium pipe being drug paraphernalia. Lets see if this one gets deleted too?
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Some people complain when others come here to share their creations, without buying ad space, which isn't allowed I guess. Someone with Kotahs history and ability should be able to post whatever he wants imho.
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I believe the posting removal was in part done because I had no ad or banner.
Another part may have been tinged with politics of a sort

Thanks for your comments and support my brothers, but do not jeopardize yourself by standing at my side,

If I had the cash, I may well have had an ad. But the same lack of funds in this economy has me at ends.

I thought I would offer up a quality coin set since pride prohibits begging.

I Won't do that. WOuld rather risk being banned from a place and commaraderie I have come to enjoy.

What I did, my sin, was not meant to be blatant disrespect for the Café or its owners.


Hopefully that will be seen as an adequate apology for my insolence, IF not, it is out of my hands.


Lucien, you hold me in far too high and unwarrabnted esteme. I seriously question the 'abilities' you seem to think I have.


On the up side, I most definetely do have a 'history.


TO some I may seem to "BE' history.


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I support many artists on here, and will continue to do so. if I get banned for supporting an artist then perhaps its not the place for me. I understand that the Café needs to have adverts but it does not mean that they need to lock out anyone posting on an item. you offered some coins for sale but you did not link to any site, I see many selling personal items on here that are not buying adds, perhaps they felt it was the wrong page that it should be in lets make a deal section. if it was reported out of vindictiveness from another vendor then I hope that such pettiness has been justified in their eyes as it will cost them support and loyalty in the end when others find out that they are like this.
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KOTAHS books are sold through leeping lizzards website. a long time advertiser here on the Café. his work can be purchased through them and I'm sure that if you ask nicely that KOTAH will gladly sign them for you that will make them all them ore collectible. although many of you are just recently noticing me do not think that I'm a newbie here as I have been a member since Sep 28, 2002 and have lurked the spooking for many years watching and some times I would post. I have never seen KOTAH de anything but a gent and have seen him offer much to the community. it is time to give back to him and others that create the work we thrive on. some of us make a living off the backs of great thinkers like this one. where would we be if they stopped creating such wonderful effects and books for us to lean on when we set out to make a living.
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First of all, good luck kotah. I for one am interested to read what you are doing.

Two points I want to make here. First of all let's get one thing out in the air. Most of the posts here are from dealers promoting their wares and their 'people' supporting them. We all know this. It is the main reason why most people come here; to see what people have for sale and what others (especially the real people) think about it.
If we have a situation where only dealers who advertise are allowed to talk about their wares we have a very unhealthy situation. Think it though.
I have tried to get advertising space 'to support the magic Café' on several occasions. Only to be told that all advertising space is taken for the foreseeable future. So, as a result of not being able to actually get ad space, are people not allowed to know what Alchemy Moon is going to be putting out? Look at the dealers who are not here anymore, the ones that have been kicked off, or who have just given up and gone of their own accord. I for one would like to know what these vanished dealers are putting out.
There is certainly no disrespect intended towards Outlaw and Prof BC as I count these as valued co-inventors and good friends.. However, would we want a situation were we are only allowed to know what Outlaw and the Prof are putting out because they have ad space? If that we're the case, this forum would die overnight, and deservedly so.
I do not think that one of the major dealers got the thread moved either, as this would be a pretty stupid thing to do. If the dealer were to be exposed, their name would be mud, and they would deserve the eternal disrespect of the community. So I really do not think that it is something that anyone here would risk, even if they were to sink so low as to think it.
Kotah makes a good point about finances too. What about the creative inventor who is just starting out, who may have someone exciting to offer the community, but may not be earning enough from their work to be able to afford advertising (even if they could get the space)? Are we not allowed to hear what they have to offer? Should we not support them in their development? The same goes for even the most established players. Everyone hits hard financial times. A healthy community would support them.
I have noticed that this forum at times has become stale. Just a few bold individuals keeping the flag flying and a sea of the same old stuff.
Competition in any field is healthy and this place is at its best when all the dealers, great and small, paid and unpaid are pitching in and everyone is talking about the work in an open manner that celebrates the work we all do. In this more healthy atmosphere, ALL dealers and ALL consumers benefit.

The coins sound great Kotah, I may just buy some!
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WOW,

Christopeer, when you've got something to say, you certainly don't hold back

Good for you. Good for all of us


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The fact is (and this will probably get me banned)is that they aren't consistent with their policy. There are enough people on the penny forum promoting their goods, and in the workers. I received a pm from big brother a few months ago for steven youell goods (because he had some illness) to buy his lecture notes... I have an illness also, and I have a product for sale... where is my pm?

If they where consistent with their policy, then I wouldn't mind, but they aren't so...
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But the thread is here isn't it? I see it

Also - anything Ron KOTAH is always excellent and should be obtained - I do little coin work but I will buy them as I support all KOTAHNIAN art.
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The ad space can be anywhere on the board. It gives dealers some leeway with posting about products and keeps the mods happy.
There is lots of space on the main index page for ads.

Most guys know my ads have been up for years. A space opened and Prof. BC must have been in the right place at the right time and got it.

The bottom line is the ad supports the Café and no matter where the ad is it allows dealers some elbow room when posting in any forum about new products.
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Roth I agree that Café is ad supported. the problem here is kotah is not a vendor. he did not link to any website marketing his creations. he posted that he invented an effect and that it is being produced but he had some of his own that he needed to sell to get money. his personal stock. I see many here selling their personal tricks that they made or bought when times were tough or they wantedto clear out some of the old items they do not use. this to me is a noble cause. this brother is in need, the Café says its about magicians helping magicians. I saw that when I had my loss of many items in a flood.

now I want to make sure this brother gets a hand up as many here did for me. if its magicians helping magicians then let us help. do not delete the post. I can not turn my back on him. he has given freely to the Café for as long as I can remember. he has items that are hosted by ad paying vendors so there should not have been an issue with him wanting to sell his personal stock pile to help with a hardship.
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I think it was due to the pipe reference.

KOTAH did nothing even remotely wrong or improper with his thread.


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I am not much on coins,but this does look good!

So,lets hear a price,on what Kotah,has them at!
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I do not think his post was removed because he didn't have an ad. I don't know why it was. As far as very visible dealers like myself I have to have advertizing here.
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I sent him a pm asking how many he needs to let go and at what price.... but I think it would be cool if one of them got auctioned off just to see how much we could raise for him. and it would be cool if some of us could write routines to go with this auction to give it a once in a lifetime feel. that KOTAH signs it and that this ELITE PACKAGE be a one of a kind offer. I WILL HELP WITH ROUTINE OIDEAS FOR ANYONE THAT GOT INVOLVED WITH THIS. THOSE COINS ARE BUILT TO BE IN A STRONG STORY PRESENTATION.
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On 2012-09-26 14:37, Michael_MacDonald wrote:
I sent him a pm asking how many he needs to let go and at what price....


OK,what price,for those who may just want to buy the coins,NOW ?
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I'm waiting for a reply from him ill make sure to post it for you.
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