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dave_matkin Inner circle 4522 Posts |
Is it really illegal to refuse to sell something to a person in the USA?
It came up in a thread and I was intrigued to know if it is true. I mean sure I know (in a stereotypical joking way) that you lot sue each other for breaking wind and generally breathing, but can you really say that it is illegal to refuse to sell something to a person? I know apple have had bad press for not selling an iPad to a lady who was talking Ian foreign language ...... I know that if you sell certain electronic equipment and suspect it is going to be taken or sent to Iraq they are not allowed to sell that restricted equipment. But I'm not asking about that.... I mean you just decide not to sell it, can you refuse to sell to a person a specific person on personal grounds? Then to widen the debate ..... if you are in the USA and a UK company refuse to let you buy (electronic fund transfer including price of shipping) whose law sands? The sellers in the UK or the 'wannabe' buyer? And by that I mean a person who wants to be a buyer not a buyer who is a wannabe famous international, global amazing something or other. Thanks guys look forward to someone who has real knowledge getting back to me. |
Pecan_Creek Veteran user The Nation of TEXAS! 323 Posts |
Most of the establishments I frequent have signs that say "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"
So I would say yes a business can refuse service (product) to anyone. I don't know if the sign matters or not. Now if a person in a protected class was refused something and there wasn't a good reason other than their protected status ... Cha Ching!! |
Pecan_Creek Veteran user The Nation of TEXAS! 323 Posts |
Oops, I didn't read the part about "real knowledge"
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
"We reserve the right to refuse service to anybody."
As far as I'm aware, it's not illegal to refuse service or sales, but you can still be sued if the person feels they were unjustly discriminated against, especially due to their race or gender. Edit: Paging Lobo. I think he'll concur.
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dave_matkin Inner circle 4522 Posts |
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On 2012-09-27 17:43, Pecan_Creek wrote: It's fine ... You have real knowledge ...... To quote The Ace of Base " you saw the sign, and it opened up your......" ability to post a reply to my question....... It was a good point you made so I will 'forgive' you on this one - not that you need it. |
dave_matkin Inner circle 4522 Posts |
Sometimes over here you see signs saying things like "breakages must be paid for". But there is no legal standing on this so they can't force you to buy it if you broke it.
Not sure how shop owners would feel if you went in and broke stuff deliberately the paid for it. I think that was on a sketch on a comedy to that facet some years ago..... Not sure if it was funny. But it's always nice to see a pointless sign. I love the oxymoronic sign on signs on the motor way. ...... this sign is not in use ..... Well it is... It's supporting that other sign. Slow ..... Poor visibility.....Fog is another if my favourite ..... Sorry I digress this needs to be a new thread. |
rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
Here the sign is more likely to say, You break it, you buy it.
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Mr. Mystoffelees Inner circle I haven't changed anyone's opinion in 3623 Posts |
In one way or another, everything is illegal in the USA. It's the land of the free...
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
This reminds me of hearing a parent say: "This is the last time I am going to tell you to stop that." I mean heck, the kid has to be thinking. GREAT, now I can keep doing it and they won't say anything. .
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
I think New Zealand is the only country in the Western world in which home distillation of spirits is reasonably allowed.
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tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
Yes, if you want a home distillery kit, you can order it from NZ. Surprisingly easy to make really excellent vodka. It costs about £1 a litre to make it...
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
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On 2012-09-28 08:07, tomsk192 wrote: But it doesn't cost a whole lot more than that in Germany these days. But once or twice some bad vodka has hit the market. Nothing like what has just happened in the Czech Republic (which is horrifying and tragic), but nonetheless one needs to be cautious. Or else order that home distillery kit. |
tomsk192 Inner circle 3894 Posts |
Yes, there's some dodgy stuff sold in the UK too. If you home distill, the methanol levels are generally negligible. But if you chuck away the first bit, then there will be practically none at all. Just very pure vodka. (allegedly, you understand. I wouldn't dream of doing this....)
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
I prefer sticking to beer.
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EsnRedshirt Special user Newark, CA 895 Posts |
Heh- I prepped my yeast starter last night for a batch of Imperial Stout I'm looking forward to brewing tomorrow. 18.25 lbs of grain for a five gallon batch. This one's going to be fun...
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MobilityBundle Regular user Las Vegas/Boston 120 Posts |
In general, it's not illegal to refuse to sell someone something.
Specific circumstances might lead to other conclusions. For example, in some cases a pharmacist might not legally be allowed to refuse to sell over the counter drugs to appropriate buyers. ("Appropriate" meaning old enough, or whatever other requirements may apply.) I did just a bit of legal research, and found this case in Washington. (Briefly: Washington passed regulations requiring pharmacists to sell drugs to any appropriate buyer. Pharmacists/drug stores sued, claiming such regulations violate the pharmacists' First Amendment rights by requiring them to potentially act against their religious convictions, e.g., by selling contraceptives. Pharmacists won at trial, but the case I linked to is the appeals court reversing that victory and ordering a rehearing.) In another example, Title II of the Civil Rights Act prevents discriminatory refusal of service in the limited cases of hotels, motels, restaurants, theaters, and similar "places of public accommodation." I recall a case in which this was extended to the sale of residential real estate, and it might extend beyond that. But it probably doesn't extend as far as the general proposition that nobody can ever refuse service or sales of anything for a discriminatory reason. |
tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
I think in England if you put a price on something a place open to the public you must sell for that price to anyone that wants to buy it. It has been offered and accepted. Of course who take advatage by changing the price but I think if the seller makes the mistakes he must sell it at the price he put on it. I say I think because I do not know as a matter of fact.
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Sealegs Inner circle The UK, Portsmouth 2596 Posts |
Tommy said, "I think in England if you put a price on something a place open to the public you must sell for that price to anyone that wants to buy it."
I'm afraid you've got that wrong Tommy as it isn't the case. Nice save though with the unsurety of your post . This question crops up with periodic regularity on consumer programs here in the UK. Check here for a pretty comprehensive overview.
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dave_matkin Inner circle 4522 Posts |
Sealegs (nice monicker for someone in Portsmouth).
I am informed that if a shop has an item on sale for less than it is in the system (say advertised at £25 on the shelf but at £35 on the till/ computer) they do indeed not have to sell it to you at £25. However they do have to take the inventory off the shelf and reliable everything ..... And can not restock the shelf until 24'hours later. So I suspect that selling one at that price for 'customer services' reasons as stated the article they may also choose to do that as it is easier to take a £10 hit and reliable the shelf than take the who,e stock off and wait 24 hours. This nugget was passé on to me by my sister in law who used to manage a sainsburys so in her words "had to know retail law". Doesn't really tackle the original question ... It does mean that in the UK we can choose not to sell something ..... Well you could just set the price unrealistically high I guess you can do what you want just don't admit it's because the person is an idiot. Or for any reason that would be due to a persons culture, sexual preferences, ethnic group etc.... |
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