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Anybody in a position to compare quality, ease of use, etc. of David Roth's Custom Coin Box Set (available, e.g., from Fantasma Magic) with comparable boxes made by Johnson Products -- or others, e.g., Tango Magic. The Roth set in question consists of an Okito box, a Boston box, and what's called a "new coin box" (whatever that is).
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I have 3 Buddah Boxes that work wonderfully 1 plain 1 slotted and 1 with coin inset on bottom making it appear full. The nice thing about Buddah Boxes is they are curved outward making many moves easier
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Also take a look at dayton magic, they have all the jim zee boxes.

these include just about every type of box and they come in dollar sizes
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The major difference between Roth and the two you mention is the lip (shelf) and the box’s inside diameter. The inside diameter permits the use of an [. The Zee box also permits this. The self allows you to perform some of Davis classic moves, never having used a Zee box I cannot comment. Otherwise you can use the other boxes for almost anything. You will have to adjust for weight and the lip on the lid.
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I have found the Jim Zee boxes and the Roth boxes to be almost identical. Haveing used both.
The Johnson boxes are smaller and have more definite squared edges. I use the Johnson and the Jim Zee (Zachary) boxes all the time in my walk around and restaurant gigs.
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The "New" box mentioned in the ad for Roth's boxes is simply a slot box. Not so new anymore but I am guessing that wording is from the original ad.

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Another difference is the Zee boxes are the only ones mentioned that also come in dollar size, right?
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Roth, hands down.
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I have both. David Roth's set is much better.
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David Roth's set !!

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If I'm not mistaken, I think that Jim Zee made Roth's boxes. I'm not a 100% sure on that. But I seem to remember reading that somewhere. Anybody ?

Roth, Jim's and Johnson's boxes all work great,and all of Roth's routines can be done with any of these boxes, but as with anything some might require a little more practice. I prefer the Buddah Boxes for my routines, only because the lid fits the box better, which makes a few of my sleights are easier.

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On 2012-10-13 09:01, mystre71 wrote:
Roth, Jim's and Johnson's boxes all work great,and all of Roth's routines can be done with any of these boxes, but as with anything some might require a little more practice.

Joe


Not quite true. Only the Jim Zee and Roth boxes can accept half $ expanded shells. The others cannot. Not a problem if you never use a shell with your coin boxes, but critical if you do.

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On 2012-10-13 09:01, mystre71 wrote:
Roth, Jim's and Johnson's boxes all work great,and all of Roth's routines can be done with any of these boxes, but as with anything some might require a little more practice.

Joe


Not quite true. Only the Jim Zee and Roth boxes can accept half $ expanded shells. The others cannot. Not a problem if you never use a shell with your coin boxes, but critical if you do.

Thanks!

Jim


Adding to this , there is no Johnson slot box

With Jim zee boxes you can buy individual boxes. Roth's comes as a set
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Sorry about that guys. I wasn't thinking about the E.shell, had my mind on the rim stack stuff when I posted.
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I believe David Roth's set was made by another well-known craftsman, not Jim Zee, but can't recall the name right now. Possibly Roy Kueppers. I have Jim Zee's, and, David Roth's sets. David Roth's set seems to work best for me, as, it seems to have a slightly smaller diameter, but, I haven't compared them with a micrometer. Even the ones I make are a bit large for my hands, but, I've become used to them from so much handling. I do not have a set of Johnson's.

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Checked my Buddah boxes and they do not accomadate a [
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While I "grew up" on the Johnson boxes, I would not recommend them now primarily because they do not accept shells and the lid is a very tight fit (they are, after all, precision made). That said, they are a good starter box if you just want to play around with the classic routines. I use the Roth box and Jim Zee boxes almost exclusively now. Both makes are very good boxes and offer a variety of designs. As mentioned above, the edge width is one of the primary differences, but also the lid depth. The Roth box has a longer, narrower edge, which I'm not a big fan of for one of my primary moves of hiding a coin in the lid. The Zee boxes lids are shallower and have a beveled edge which makes the aforementioned lid moves easier. HOWEVER, some people like a deeper lid - some like a shallower lid. Hows that for muddying the waters? Smile

As far as aethetics, it's too bad the Buddha boxes don't accept a shell, because they are a very pretty design. I use their Boston box for Chad Long's reverse assembly routine.
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On 2012-10-15 09:54, wandmgc8 wrote:
I believe David Roth's set was made by another well-known craftsman, not Jim Zee, but can't recall the name right now. Possibly Roy Kueppers...
Michael


Roy Kueppers is currently the official manufacturer of the Roth set. You can see the ad here: http://www.roykueppers.com

I have a large collection of coin boxes myself, including all of those mentioned above. As for the workability, the Roth set (even the pre-Kueppers sets) win hands-down on an overall aspect. Besides the Roth set, Roy also does an excellent job in making coin boxes.

That is not to say that the other sets do not have their own unique and great characteristics, but for my style and what I do with different routines, Roth is tops. The Johnson boxes have a really nice weight to them, which I like for certain things. The Jim Zee boxes with their edges, which are more square, also have an advantage in some situations.
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I've ended up with most coin boxes. The most important characteristic I've found is that the lid should have a loose fit. The Johnson box you can pick up by the lid if you like, what's that about. This trips you up when you want to drop the box bottom and it hangs with the lid.

The Buddha boxes are nice. Was unaware that they don't hold a S----. Time to break out the Sun and Moon coins. Those are regular size.


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