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On 2012-10-15 14:37, AndyLuka wrote:
I accidently posted this on the wrong forum. Since this is where is should be, I will re post it

It really depends on the situation. Most of the time I approach the table, ask everyone how everything is, I then introduce myself "By the way, My name is Andy Luka I am a professional Magician hired by (restaurants name), to provide you with a few moments of table side entertainment while you wait for your meal, would you like to experience some magic tonight?"

However at larger tables I tend to grab attention with a fire wallet, and then introduce myself, with the same line as above.

There are a few things I would like to point out about my introduction. I am very particular about what I say and how I say it. My goal in an introduction is to set the expectation for the guest. I follow a simple formula.
1 tell them who you are
2 tell them what you are going to do
3 tell them how long it will last

This way your guests know you are a magician and you are going to entertain them for only a few moments so they can get back to their conversation or whatever it may be. I am sure to use the word entertainment, so they know I’m not trying to show off or intrude on their night out, I am there to help them have a good time.
I keep my effects brief total of 3min of their time. When I am done I say.

“Thank you guys for your time, I hope you enjoy the rest of your evening at (restaurants name). If you would like me to come back before you leave, be sure to let you server know. By the way here is my card, if you ever have an event and would like to entertain your guests please give me a call.”
It is important to thank them for their time, after all you did interrupt them, regardless how good your intentions are. I always let them know I can make it back to the table, (most of the time I get called back to the table, it’s because they want to tip me) and always leave a business card, no such thing as too much advertising.


Haha...you been talking with Kostya? : ) This is actually SPOT ON! Exactly the way we do business as well.
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Over the past couple of years, I have performed at many close-up venues. If it's one thing that I have learned, always be polite and ask if they would like to see some magic.
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I agree with the general output here. Always ask. They are there to eat. I have had PLENTY of people tell me they weren't interested. They are there to eat and socialize with those they are with. But I have also gotten tips from those who refused because they saw me at the next table and thought I did a good job. So as with anything professional... be polite and remember your role... in a restaurant you are there to serve!
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On 2012-10-15 14:37, AndyLuka wrote:
By the way here is my card, if you ever have an event and would like to entertain your guests please give me a call.”


Andy, does that work? My uneducated view is that you'd be handing out a lot of unsolicited cards. But maybe they save them and call, so I thought I'd ask.

My luck I'd get the person that would educate me on handing out a card that wasn't asked for. lol.
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So you are hired to do magic. you walk up to a table and ask:"do like to see some magic?" they say:"NO!" so you leave.you walk up to a table and ask:"do like to see some magic?" they say:"NO!" so you leave.you walk up to a table and ask:"do like to see some magic?" they say:"NO!" so you leave.etc etc. in the end you are not working for you money.

so haw do you deal with that situation?
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I have it worked out and am asked for, rather than having to ask them. You would be SHOCKED how this changes the dynamic.

But not the topic. If not in that situation I would NEVER do anything without asking. It is just bad manners and in the end it is about the guest.

At a private function it might be a bit more tricky. "I have been hired by the host to show you something amazing. Would it be ok if I showed you?" That works well for me.

Bottom line is that I ask. I would not like it if someone approached my table and just started doing whatever. I personally would ask.
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For me, it depends on the crowd. If they are silent and looking formal in behaviour, I go formally introducing myself. If they are already in a good, enjoying mood, then I do the crazy approach. By crazy I don't mean vulgar. But rather funny approach. Within 5 to 10 seconds they are watching my magic. Guess most magicians do this after a lot of experience in table hopping. They know what crowd needs what kind of approach, by just looking at their body language and mood.
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On 2012-10-15 15:13, AndyLuka wrote:
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On 2012-10-15 14:49, Christopher Lyle wrote:
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On 2012-10-15 14:37, AndyLuka wrote:

However at larger tables I tend to grab attention with a fire wallet, and then introduce myself, with the same line as above.


I wonder if Pepka has a thought or two on this subject? Smile


Pepka and I have discussed this in other threads. I understand and respect his position, I however tend to disagree.

I was away for a few days, but I had a feeling my ears were burning. Someone had a Fire wallet near my head!!!!! Yes, I have harped and harped on this issue as to opening with a fire wallet and why I think it's bad.

Onto the question at hand, Do you ask... No. As Tommy Wonder points out this can be a very bad question and put someone in an akward position. I do pride myself on being an excellent reader of people. In my restaurant work, I also have a wonderful staff that keeps me apprised of "fun" tables or groups at the bar. Even though I don't ask, I also don't believe in any type of "ambush-magic." "Hey, anyone lose a white knife? No, how about a black one?" Yeah, that's about 2 steps away from a fire wallet. I talk to people first, get everyone's name. They often think I am the owner or maitre-d. It usually goes something like this.... Good evening folks, how's everyone doing so far? Very nice to see you all, you are....hi George, Tina welcome...and Becky how are you. My name is David, welcome to What if...I am the entertainment here this evening, I am the house magician....(and we're off.)

It took me a loooong time to come up with a presentation for myself that worked for me. I pretty much haven't changed it in 8 years. And I can honestly say, that once I have approached a table and made my introduction I REALLY can't remember the last time anyone said no thank you. If they aren't interested, I usually can tell and just leave it at "Hi, how is everything....good enjoy yourself." I am dressed to impress, so again they usually think I'm the owner, or manager.
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On 2012-10-21 06:54, ROBERT BLAKE wrote:
So you are hired to do magic. you walk up to a table and ask:"do like to see some magic?" they say:"NO!" so you leave.you walk up to a table and ask:"do like to see some magic?" they say:"NO!" so you leave.you walk up to a table and ask:"do like to see some magic?" they say:"NO!" so you leave.etc etc. in the end you are not working for you money.

so haw do you deal with that situation?


Simple! you never ask them that question. Instead you start off with an opener. Example:

This is my favourites. I ask for a change. Whatever they say, I ask them "No no....wait....I needed change for...." I do the bill switch "...a 100?". At this point, they are like "What?!". Then, I continue "....or it would be more helpful if you could give me a change for a 500?". I do the double bill switch actually. By this time they are gobsmacked! LOVE IT!

Then I proceed to say "Hello" with a big smile and tell them doing magic is my hobby and IF THEY RESPOND WELL (99% of the time, they will)I directly jump to my next question "Do you play cards?"
Again, I never ask, "Do you wanna see a magic?". TRUST me, I have used many methods similar to this. 99% tables covered and more importantly they enjoy. Smile

Read my post http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=5&5 on the methods I created to approach strangers elsewhere other than the restaurants.
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Yea that is the apprach that would go over REALLY bad for me and my family.

Not a fan of just jumping in without telling them.
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On 2012-10-22 01:40, illusionistaxe wrote:
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On 2012-10-21 06:54, ROBERT BLAKE wrote:
So you are hired to do magic. you walk up to a table and ask:"do like to see some magic?" they say:"NO!" so you leave.you walk up to a table and ask:"do like to see some magic?" they say:"NO!" so you leave.you walk up to a table and ask:"do like to see some magic?" they say:"NO!" so you leave.etc etc. in the end you are not working for you money.

so haw do you deal with that situation?

Then I proceed to say "Hello" with a big smile and tell them doing magic is my hobby and IF THEY RESPOND WELL (99% of the time, they will) . . . .

So you've employed this approach at more than 100 tables and only one has responded negatively? That's difficult to believe.
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Not just this one approach. That would really awkward...there many similar approaches, which I use as excuses to start off with my magic. But again, I use this approach only once in one area. Once this table starts to react, the next ones are easier to approach. I don't need an excuse anymore. I simply walk to them and ask if they wanna see some magic. At this point, as they have witnessed the reactions already, they are most likely to say yes. In spite of this, if they say no, then I leave them.

In my above example, after I finish the bill switch, if the people at the table are still having a cold expression then I say something like "Sorry to bother you, Enjoy the rest of your dinner" and wind up. I skip the intro at this point. But believe it or not, it happens verrry rarely.

Try this and let me know how it worked for you guys. Suits my style than asking "Do you wanna see some magic".

Cheers.
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On 2012-10-21 06:54, ROBERT BLAKE wrote:
So you are hired to do magic. you walk up to a table and ask:"do like to see some magic?" they say:"NO!" so you leave.you walk up to a table and ask:"do like to see some magic?" they say:"NO!" so you leave.you walk up to a table and ask:"do like to see some magic?" they say:"NO!" so you leave.etc etc. in the end you are not working for you money.

so haw do you deal with that situation?


Get a new job Smile
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On 2012-10-21 06:54, ROBERT BLAKE wrote:
So you are hired to do magic. you walk up to a table and ask:"do like to see some magic?" they say:"NO!" so you leave.you walk up to a table and ask:"do like to see some magic?" they say:"NO!" so you leave.you walk up to a table and ask:"do like to see some magic?" they say:"NO!" so you leave.etc etc. in the end you are not working for you money.

so haw do you deal with that situation?


Simple! you never ask them that question. Instead you start off with an opener. Example:

This is my favourites. I ask for a change. Whatever they say, I ask them "No no....wait....I needed change for...." I do the bill switch "...a 100?". At this point, they are like "What?!". Then, I continue "....or it would be more helpful if you could give me a change for a 500?". I do the double bill switch actually. By this time they are gobsmacked! LOVE IT!

Then I proceed to say "Hello" with a big smile and tell them doing magic is my hobby and IF THEY RESPOND WELL (99% of the time, they will)I directly jump to my next question "Do you play cards?"
Again, I never ask, "Do you wanna see a magic?". TRUST me, I have used many methods similar to this. 99% tables covered and more importantly they enjoy. Smile

Read my post http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=5&5 on the methods I created to approach strangers elsewhere other than the restaurants.


I agree with Danny this is a terrible way to approach.
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Maybe for you guys it's a bad one. But it works really well for the crowd when I approach. Better say sorry by showing a trick rather than saying sorry by asking if they wanna see a trick. Thought it would help. My bad....

Have a good one.
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Ask?.....ALWAYS
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It is bad manners not too.
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People respect and respond to good manners and proper etiquette. First impressions are everything. If they like and respect you, they'll like and appreciate what you do.
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[quote]On 2012-10-22 06:16, themagicguy wrote:
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On 2012-10-22 01:40, illusionistaxe wrote:
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On 2012-10-21 06:54, ROBERT BLAKE wrote:
So you are hired to do magic. you walk up to a table and ask:"do like to see some magic?" they say:"NO!" so you leave.you walk up to a table and ask:"do like to see some magic?" they say:"NO!" so you leave.you walk up to a table and ask:"do like to see some magic?" they say:"NO!" so you leave.etc etc. in the end you are not working for you money.

so haw do you deal with that situation?




if this would happen to me, I would seriously analyze the way I approach, the way I look, dress, smell,smile,talk,etc because something is definitely wrong!
it is hard for me to believe that a magician that fails constantly to make people interested in his work would succeed in amazing those people if they would have responded positively.
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On 2012-10-15 14:18, Christopher Lyle wrote:
If I were in a restaurant and an entertainer (magician or otherwise) came up to my table and without asking, began performing, it would not end well at all! One should ALWAYS ask (or be requested) before the magic begins. There are many times I just approach a table, we chat for a few minutes and then I leave and I never did a single trick. Always ask!


You are so on the money. I LOVE magic, music, entertainers, etc. But when I go with family, etc. out to eat, I don't want someone coming up and just doing their thing. I just think it's unprofessional and rude, no matter what they do. If they introduce themselves and ask, they have my full support.
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