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eatonmagic Special user Orlando, FL 737 Posts |
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On 2012-10-15 14:37, AndyLuka wrote: Haha...you been talking with Kostya? : ) This is actually SPOT ON! Exactly the way we do business as well. |
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hocuspocusjay23 Regular user 170 Posts |
Over the past couple of years, I have performed at many close-up venues. If it's one thing that I have learned, always be polite and ask if they would like to see some magic.
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Siraldi Regular user Johnson City, Tennessee 102 Posts |
I agree with the general output here. Always ask. They are there to eat. I have had PLENTY of people tell me they weren't interested. They are there to eat and socialize with those they are with. But I have also gotten tips from those who refused because they saw me at the next table and thought I did a good job. So as with anything professional... be polite and remember your role... in a restaurant you are there to serve!
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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts |
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On 2012-10-15 14:37, AndyLuka wrote: Andy, does that work? My uneducated view is that you'd be handing out a lot of unsolicited cards. But maybe they save them and call, so I thought I'd ask. My luck I'd get the person that would educate me on handing out a card that wasn't asked for. lol. |
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ROBERT BLAKE Inner circle 1472 Posts |
So you are hired to do magic. you walk up to a table and ask:"do like to see some magic?" they say:"NO!" so you leave.you walk up to a table and ask:"do like to see some magic?" they say:"NO!" so you leave.you walk up to a table and ask:"do like to see some magic?" they say:"NO!" so you leave.etc etc. in the end you are not working for you money.
so haw do you deal with that situation? |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
I have it worked out and am asked for, rather than having to ask them. You would be SHOCKED how this changes the dynamic.
But not the topic. If not in that situation I would NEVER do anything without asking. It is just bad manners and in the end it is about the guest. At a private function it might be a bit more tricky. "I have been hired by the host to show you something amazing. Would it be ok if I showed you?" That works well for me. Bottom line is that I ask. I would not like it if someone approached my table and just started doing whatever. I personally would ask.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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illusionistaxe New user 69 Posts |
For me, it depends on the crowd. If they are silent and looking formal in behaviour, I go formally introducing myself. If they are already in a good, enjoying mood, then I do the crazy approach. By crazy I don't mean vulgar. But rather funny approach. Within 5 to 10 seconds they are watching my magic. Guess most magicians do this after a lot of experience in table hopping. They know what crowd needs what kind of approach, by just looking at their body language and mood.
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pepka Inner circle Uh, I'm the one on the right. 5041 Posts |
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On 2012-10-15 15:13, AndyLuka wrote: I was away for a few days, but I had a feeling my ears were burning. Someone had a Fire wallet near my head!!!!! Yes, I have harped and harped on this issue as to opening with a fire wallet and why I think it's bad. Onto the question at hand, Do you ask... No. As Tommy Wonder points out this can be a very bad question and put someone in an akward position. I do pride myself on being an excellent reader of people. In my restaurant work, I also have a wonderful staff that keeps me apprised of "fun" tables or groups at the bar. Even though I don't ask, I also don't believe in any type of "ambush-magic." "Hey, anyone lose a white knife? No, how about a black one?" Yeah, that's about 2 steps away from a fire wallet. I talk to people first, get everyone's name. They often think I am the owner or maitre-d. It usually goes something like this.... Good evening folks, how's everyone doing so far? Very nice to see you all, you are....hi George, Tina welcome...and Becky how are you. My name is David, welcome to What if...I am the entertainment here this evening, I am the house magician....(and we're off.) It took me a loooong time to come up with a presentation for myself that worked for me. I pretty much haven't changed it in 8 years. And I can honestly say, that once I have approached a table and made my introduction I REALLY can't remember the last time anyone said no thank you. If they aren't interested, I usually can tell and just leave it at "Hi, how is everything....good enjoy yourself." I am dressed to impress, so again they usually think I'm the owner, or manager. |
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illusionistaxe New user 69 Posts |
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On 2012-10-21 06:54, ROBERT BLAKE wrote: Simple! you never ask them that question. Instead you start off with an opener. Example: This is my favourites. I ask for a change. Whatever they say, I ask them "No no....wait....I needed change for...." I do the bill switch "...a 100?". At this point, they are like "What?!". Then, I continue "....or it would be more helpful if you could give me a change for a 500?". I do the double bill switch actually. By this time they are gobsmacked! LOVE IT! Then I proceed to say "Hello" with a big smile and tell them doing magic is my hobby and IF THEY RESPOND WELL (99% of the time, they will)I directly jump to my next question "Do you play cards?" Again, I never ask, "Do you wanna see a magic?". TRUST me, I have used many methods similar to this. 99% tables covered and more importantly they enjoy. Read my post http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=5&5 on the methods I created to approach strangers elsewhere other than the restaurants. |
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
Yea that is the apprach that would go over REALLY bad for me and my family.
Not a fan of just jumping in without telling them.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On 2012-10-22 01:40, illusionistaxe wrote: So you've employed this approach at more than 100 tables and only one has responded negatively? That's difficult to believe. |
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illusionistaxe New user 69 Posts |
Not just this one approach. That would really awkward...there many similar approaches, which I use as excuses to start off with my magic. But again, I use this approach only once in one area. Once this table starts to react, the next ones are easier to approach. I don't need an excuse anymore. I simply walk to them and ask if they wanna see some magic. At this point, as they have witnessed the reactions already, they are most likely to say yes. In spite of this, if they say no, then I leave them.
In my above example, after I finish the bill switch, if the people at the table are still having a cold expression then I say something like "Sorry to bother you, Enjoy the rest of your dinner" and wind up. I skip the intro at this point. But believe it or not, it happens verrry rarely. Try this and let me know how it worked for you guys. Suits my style than asking "Do you wanna see some magic". Cheers. |
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themagicguy Loyal user Australia 280 Posts |
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On 2012-10-21 06:54, ROBERT BLAKE wrote: Get a new job |
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themagicguy Loyal user Australia 280 Posts |
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On 2012-10-22 01:40, illusionistaxe wrote: I agree with Danny this is a terrible way to approach. |
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illusionistaxe New user 69 Posts |
Maybe for you guys it's a bad one. But it works really well for the crowd when I approach. Better say sorry by showing a trick rather than saying sorry by asking if they wanna see a trick. Thought it would help. My bad....
Have a good one. |
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David French Veteran user 374 Posts |
Ask?.....ALWAYS
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
It is bad manners not too.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts |
People respect and respond to good manners and proper etiquette. First impressions are everything. If they like and respect you, they'll like and appreciate what you do.
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Dimitri Mystery Artist Veteran user Israel/Ukraine 355 Posts |
[quote]On 2012-10-22 06:16, themagicguy wrote:
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On 2012-10-22 01:40, illusionistaxe wrote: if this would happen to me, I would seriously analyze the way I approach, the way I look, dress, smell,smile,talk,etc because something is definitely wrong! it is hard for me to believe that a magician that fails constantly to make people interested in his work would succeed in amazing those people if they would have responded positively. |
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Zombie Magic Inner circle I went out for a beer and now have 8733 Posts |
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On 2012-10-15 14:18, Christopher Lyle wrote: You are so on the money. I LOVE magic, music, entertainers, etc. But when I go with family, etc. out to eat, I don't want someone coming up and just doing their thing. I just think it's unprofessional and rude, no matter what they do. If they introduce themselves and ask, they have my full support. |
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