Thanks for the MK cups link - another brand that I wasn't familiar with. I've bitten the bullet and acquired a (second hand) Hidden Wren cup. Looking forward to trying it out. Whether or not it replaces the RNT one for walk around will probably be mainly to do with size. But can't wait to see it!

I use my Hidden Wren cup for table hopping with no problem but I had it made to a specific size that allows for a reasonable final load sequence whilst not being to bulky for the pocket but either way I'm sure you'll love the cup

The Don Allen mini is quite good. I will also note although the copper looks the richest, in your pocket the light aluminum makes a big difference.

Thanks final load mini load I will sometimes use (sometimes a pseudo load dropped from my hand) is a mini Rubiks. These can bought in bunches of amazon and left as souvenirs.

I am using the Don Allen mini chop cup in brass. Very well designed chop cup with the gimmick inside unnoticeable. The bottom of the cup has a very nice indented design so the ball will easily stay on the cup when it is inverted on your hand/table.

I am now using a Magic Makers mini and it works great.

I just got the Presti Cup and am loving it. I think the how they make their balls is brilliant and it comes with a great routine that eliminates the usual in the pocket premise.

Dare I ask what is wrong with the "in the pocket premise"?

Danny, I wouldn't say there is anything wrong with going to the pocket, I've seen many folks kill with Gazzo style street routines and I have even performed the Dennis Loomis micro chop routine on occasion. But the old in the pocket never quite sits well for me, which is strictly a taste thing. I think when a hand is in the pocket it gives the audience to much space to solve the mystery. I tried to learn Tommy Wonders Two Cup routine but it was beyond my skills at the time, so I'm glad the Presti cup routine uses a body load that works for my style.

VERY late here, but by far my favorite:

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