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On 2012-12-03 13:49, Zombie Magic wrote:
Maybe this should be taken downstairs?


Not for zen but for his next release this way down(stairs), yes obvisously
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Marcin

To answer you question

There is nothing hidden from spectator , everything is out in the open from the start and the process requires active involvement of both the performer and the spectator. The performer is not thinking , "what if the spectator sees the gimmick or touches it " for it is not that type of gimmick .

I still maintain the effect is significantly overpriced compared to what can be bought on the market, this does not mean if used for a paying audience it it not then value for money for that performer .

For the price the effect could have come with some performance links of Colin perfoming the effect and possible a completed gimmick that ties in nicely with the premise .

One aspect of the effect I did not like and have removed but this has meant a trade off

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Parmesan thanks for your advice , col answered my question and I have bought it cheers for you invaluable advice .

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I received my copy of ZEN today. I've been waiting with eager anticipation as a result of posts on this thread from others who also bought ZEN.

I'm an admirer of Colin's work and I'm very happy I purchased ZEN. $100 is a lot of money for me personally and I didn't spend this money lightly. Colin is one of just a few performers that I would even consider purchasing an effect from sight unseen.

When an effect spurs your own creative process and you find you can't sleep because your mind is racing with ideas of your own on how to play the effect then you know you have something good. That's how it is for me with ZEN.

I'm definitely going to use this but as anyone that has purchased ZEN knows, I have a wee bit of arts and crafts work to do first. It would have been very nice if ZEN had included necessary bits so that I could hit the ground running as it were. That's really the only quibble I have.

Colin doesn't just think outside the box. He IS the box. Keep up the good work.

Regards,

Laurence.
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On 2012-12-03 12:43, insight wrote:
Writeall, can you please explain the logic of your question? I am utterly confused, and your post seems to make no sense at all.

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On 2012-12-02 20:13, writeall wrote:
Once all the copies are sold, will a performance video be available?


Sorry. Rereading that, I can see how it doesn't make much sense.

What I had in mind was just my own curiosity. Here we have a secret effect that can't be shown because magicians would figure it out. But it's being sold in a limited release -- once they are gone, they're gone. But even then, it seems like we couldn't see the effect, because that would tip it to people who didn't buy.

So I think I had the odd situation in mind where you can't show an effect, even after it is no longer for sale. In fact, every time someone performs it, they risk spreading it around inadvertantly. Just seemed very strange. Are there other effects with this property?
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So I think I had the odd situation in mind where you can't show an effect, even after it is no longer for sale. In fact, every time someone performs it, they risk spreading it around inadvertantly. Just seemed very strange. Are there other effects with this property?


lol,odd? but it will be not on youtube...
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WriteAll. You're right. Wonderful isn't it?

People respecting our art, the creator, their investment and most importantly, themselves. To own a routine and method that not everyone has access too, providing them with something exclusively unique for their repertoire.

If only there was more of this!!
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On 2012-12-03 12:43, insight wrote:
Writeall, can you please explain the logic of your question? I am utterly confused, and your post seems to make no sense at all.

Regards,
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On 2012-12-02 20:13, writeall wrote:
Once all the copies are sold, will a performance video be available?


Sorry. Rereading that, I can see how it doesn't make much sense.

What I had in mind was just my own curiosity. Here we have a secret effect that can't be shown because magicians would figure it out. But it's being sold in a limited release -- once they are gone, they're gone. But even then, it seems like we couldn't see the effect, because that would tip it to people who didn't buy.

So I think I had the odd situation in mind where you can't show an effect, even after it is no longer for sale. In fact, every time someone performs it, they risk spreading it around inadvertantly. Just seemed very strange. Are there other effects with this property?


Scott Alexander's Razor routine comes to mind.
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On 2012-12-04 08:01, Colin wrote:
WriteAll. You're right. Wonderful isn't it?

People respecting our art, the creator, their investment and most importantly, themselves. To own a routine and method that not everyone has access too, providing them with something exclusively unique for their repertoire.

If only there was more of this!!


I love the fact that there are still secrets out there that I will probably never even so much as hear about. It makes the fortunate, albeit rare, opportunity when I can be privy to one of those secrets that much sweeter. For instance, I truly admired when Bob Kohler experimented with the idea of leasing his holdout years ago. Even though many in our small, tight-knit community objected to the idea of Bob's method of bringing to market such an exclusive, limited edition, high-end and relatively expensive piece of magical apparatus, it sort of helped to elevate the notion that magic is truly one of the only crafts built upon secrets, mystery, and surprise. I wish there was more of it.
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On 2012-12-04 08:01, Colin wrote:
WriteAll. You're right. Wonderful isn't it?

People respecting our art, the creator, their investment and most importantly, themselves. To own a routine and method that not everyone has access too, providing them with something exclusively unique for their repertoire.

If only there was more of this!!


This might be the next business model to evolve. Harkens back to the day when we showed each other things -- in person. Me likee.

It's pretty cool that you are sticking to your guns and not going for volume sales. Good on ya.
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On 2012-12-04 11:03, MJ Marrs wrote:
I love the fact that there are still secrets out there that I will probably never even so much as hear about. It makes the fortunate, albeit rare, opportunity when I can be privy to one of those secrets that much sweeter. For instance, I truly admired when Bob Kohler experimented with the idea of leasing his holdout years ago. Even though many in our small, tight-knit community objected to the idea of Bob's method of bringing to market such an exclusive, limited edition, high-end and relatively expensive piece of magical apparatus, it sort of helped to elevate the notion that magic is truly one of the only crafts built upon secrets, mystery, and surprise. I wish there was more of it.


Agree. Helps me personally too. I get to focus on those few things I actually want to learn and perform instead of constantly browsing the back lots for the next shiny toy. It always turns out I stick with that thing I got from a book decades ago anyhow.

Since I asked the question about things that aren't released but only taken from someone else's performance, I thought of one category -- patter and routining. I only thought of this after reading a great blog post by Scott Guinn ( http://scottfguinn.blogspot.com/2009/04/......ing.html ) and the everpresent gripe in the buskers section about "clones."
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Great essay!!

Given that I'm re-reading Strong Magic right now, it massively elaborates on all of this.

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Hey guys,

Two people have messaged me on The Café to state their copy of Zen has not yet arrived. Those messages are no longer in my in box.

Can you please send me an e-mail to PsychicColin@Yahoo.co.uk to tell me if it's yours which has not yet arrived.

As of this Friday, all copies pre-ordered should have arrived. If it was ordered after, Royal Mail have told me that it can take up to four weeks for them to arrive and with Christmas postage it may just take a few days longer.

As a consumer, I know it's frustrating when things don't arrive within a few days, but I want you all to know that I'll take all measures to make sure your copy arrives.

I also just want to let you know that I'm only going to be selling another 20 of these before it goes on hiatus for a while.

Any questions, please send them directly to my above e-mail address as I'm pretty much on the road for the next three weeks constantly, so I will be able to reply to those messages quicker.

Best wishes,
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Just got it........

Just read it..........

GENIUS!!

I think it's all been said already and I'm happy with the price I paid too.

Thanks for sharing Colin.

Anthony
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Just received this last week and have read it twice now. I'm still analyzing this with some critical thinking. I will say the following thoughts as a quick "review". Personally, the main value for the $100 (for me) was the 2-3 weeks of thought process I put into this before the book arrived trying to figure out my own method unsuccessfully. This was a fun adventure in creative thinking.

I definitely won't be using this on stage as I feel there are better, more direct, methods of obtaining a 'thought' while you're on stage. For close-up I can see maybe using this. The thought that keeps going through my mind is if this would impress the specator more than simply having the spectator right down the chosen word on a billet, doing a standard billet move, and then revealing the word. Or simply using a N.W. In other words, just as I said before...I'm trying to figure out if this method is better, or more direct, than what's already out there. It's certainly a different approach, and it's not a bad method. If you're doing this close-up you definitely can't have anyone watching you from behind, or this would give away the method.

I feel the advertisement was just a bit mis-leading. Not false, but perhaps a bit mis-leading. It is true that nothing is "written down" or "stated" before the reveal. But I certaintly believe that what is taking place is the EQUIVALENT of writing the word down, even though the spectator isn't writing anything . When the spectator thinks back to reconstruct this they will certaintly remember the prop and the process used. It's still a good method though, not bad.
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On 2012-10-26 19:09, Colin wrote:
BUT this routine is one of the closest I've come up with to making it look like the real thing
"This say up" was a lot better and near the real thing. I don't think using cards get you near the real thing at all!
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Stefmagic has a point there.
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On 2012-10-26 19:09, Colin wrote:
BUT this routine is one of the closest I've come up with to making it look like the real thing
"This say up" was a lot better and near the real thing. I don't think using cards get you near the real thing at all!


You mean "This Way up". Indeed a different story Smile. Jan
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