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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
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Tony45 Veteran user 384 Posts |
You guys talking about the old Faro game brought back a memory for me. They used to play a similar game, at least it seems similar, called Ziganette back in NY years ago. I was at a few of these games and I only got to play it a bit at the beginning of the night as it was a big money game and they didn't want the workers getting in the way of the hitters who came to play.
They used a box and a deck with the 8,9, and 10,s removed. The cards would be mixed and placed in the box and it would be placed face down on the table. When everyone was ready it would be turned face up exposing a card, the card would be drawn and another exposed, providing it wasnt the same value as the last card, it would be removed, now for the final card, the banks card. It would be face up in the box and providing all the cards were of a different order, the madness would begin, lol. The object is for the player to bet on one of the first two cards and he would be betting that the banks card would be drawn BEFORE his card. If the banks card showed, all the cards that had been drawn to that point would be payed and the bank would move to the next player. The perfect scenario for the bank would be to make a "Niner" or beat every other card that popped out of the box. The house got 5% of the banks win, that's how they made their money. This was the fastest most insane game I had ever witnessed, the money flew in bundles across the tables. It was almost all "Good guys" who were playing and construction guys, owners and whatnot. The guys who worked the game could make a dime a night with no sweat. This was a very controlled game for years,you had to get "Permission" to open one and it wasnt given out often, I was fortunate to be around it at the time, quite an eye full. As far as shuffling went, all I can honestly say I remember is a shuffle and two guys washing the cards, they they went into the box, that's all I really remember. This is the kind of game the casinos should bring back,not all this carnival trash. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Thanks Tony. I like old gamling stories such as that. There is very old con game in relation to that game in one of real old books on gambling as I recall. It will come to me in a while but I can't think of the name of book at the moment.
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
Yes Tony, Ziginette is a fast game. It is the Italian version of Faro, just as Seven- and-a-Half (Sette-e-Mezo) is the Italian version of Blackjack. (I still remember playing Sette-e-Mezzo on the school yard steps as a kid in the Bronx with the neighborhood Italian guys.)
When I get a chance, I will write out a quick story/excerpt from one of the Marrone articles of his mentor and him beating a very tough Ziginette game as a favor to Al Capone during prohibition. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
A wiseguy could make a $200,000 score one night and lose it the next night in a game of Ziginette. That's the way it was. Paulie lost more than he earned for ... For Members Only: The Story of the Mob's Secret Judge, A True Story By G. T. Harrell
Next door the Eppolito brothers held all-night sessions playing a fast and furious Italian card game called ziginette. “It was here that Louie Eppolito's Mafia ... The Brotherhoods: The True Story of Two Cops Who Murdered for the Mafia By Guy Lawson, William Oldham To save your time looking for a story.
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On 2012-11-08 12:57, tommy wrote: Thanks tommy, but my story is much, much, much better. Besides, you got that information from your longtime running mate and drinking buddy, the Yellow Kid. The rumor is that when the two of you were on the hustle, you would block as the Yellow Kid fed slugs into gumball machines as alluded to on another post. Of course, I can’t vouch for the accuracy of that report, but it is pretty much an accepted fact that you have the largest collection of gumballs in the UK. Further, how did your life-long buddy, the Yellow Kid, get that name? Does it relate to his level of courage, or lack thereof, the color of his teeth, the color of his panties, etc.? C’mon, you can tell us. In any event, here is my story below. |
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
Here is a Ziginette story as part of an ongoing series written many years ago about a hustler (using the name Anthony Marrone and his mentor (referred to as Don Pasquale) and their encounter with Al Capone during prohibition.
Seems like Marrone and Don Pasquale checked into a hotel in Chicago and the lobby was filled with hard looking hoods. Evidently Al Capone moved his headquarter from Cicero and was running his mob from this hotel, having taken over the sixth, seventh and eighth floors, with Capone living on the sixth. Capone had a “card problem” and wanted to know if these two top hustlers could handle it. On meeting with Capone in his lavish headquarters on the sixth floor, Capone asked them if Ziginette could be beaten. Pasquale answered that it is difficult but can be done. Capone explained that the reason he called in these two top hustlers was that one house man had been particularly lucky at the game and Capone thought cheating was involved. Frank (the Enforcer) Nitti ran the game and said Ziginette could not be beaten and bet Capone it could not be done. Pasquale said he would do the work for Capone, but said, “Please don’t ask me to finger anyone as cheating.” Capone understood and said he would just fire the guy if Pasquale could beat the game. On the night of the game, the two hustlers rode in Capone’s bullet proof car (accompanied by the bodyguards) to the game in Cicero, with one bodyguard car driving in front and one driving in back. When they reached Cicero, four hoods looked the block over and after the okay, Capone and the hustlers got out of the car and walked into what looked like an ordinary saloon. That was a front of course, and they went through the saloon into a large room that had roulette, baccarat, poker and craps games going. They then walked upstairs and Capone said, “This is where we have our private Ziginette game for the boys.” Just to restate the rules again, Ziginette is played with a 40 card Italian deck having ten denominations (Ace through seven and ten through King). The first two cards are dealt face up on the table for the players to bet on, the third face up card becomes the dealer’s card. The player’s bet that the dealer’s card will show before the card or cards they bet will. Players can bet on subsequent cards that are not duplicate denominations as they are dealt. When the dealer’s card shows, he pays off any remaining denominations bet on that have not shown yet. Pasquale sat down at the table and only Capone and Frank Nitti knew of the bet and Pasquale’s plan to beat the game. Pasquale put the first of his three plans into operation. It was beat before he got started as a new deck was put into play. He then tried plan number two, but is misfired by a few cards. Nitti had an expression on his face which seemed to say: “Go ahead, suckers. Let’s see you try and beat my game.” To quote the article at this point: Quote:
Pasquale waited for the bank to put his third plan into operation. When he got it, he riffled the cards and slapped them down on the table for anyone to cut. The cards went back into the box and play started. With Nitti peering across the table, Pasquale opened the play and made every card in the box without losing the bank. Nitti looked stunned. On the train back to New York, the door to their private compartment opened and the houseman, whom Nitti had fired the night before, was standing there. Nitti had told him how he was caught and he was looking for revenge. “I’m going to give both of you what you have coming,” he said, starting toward them. Then the door behind him opened again, and one of Capone’s hoods came in. “The boss don’t want no trouble,” he said. “These guys are his friends.” The houseman grew pale and made a quick exit. The bodyguard looked at Marrone and Pasquale, winked, and then followed the houseman out. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Rules etc http://italophiles.com/ziginette.htm Zecchinetta al casinò Il banchiere ha un lieve vantaggio sui giocatori all'inizio, perchè la sua carta viene estratta per ultima dal mazzo, ma lo stesso vantaggio passa dalla parte dei giocatori quando aumenta il numero delle carte su cui scommettere. The banker has a slight advantage over the players at the start, because her last card is withdrawn from the deck, but the advantage goes to the side of players increases when the number of cards to bet on. It says at the Italian link there, I think.
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
The game is dead even for both the players and banker. It is like flipping a coin. It is not like Faro in that regard because there are no splits which is why the house charges 5% or some such percentage on winning bets.
Once a player's card is matched, the remaining denominations of that value are no longer playable. Once the dealer's card is matched, he pays off all remaining bets. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Zecchinetta owed its popularity to the idiot-proof simplicity of its rules, guaranteed to seduce anyone certifiably brain-dead.
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Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
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On 2012-11-08 21:53, tommy wrote: I think there is another way to look at this. Most people who gamble in casinos, no doubt in excess of 99%, have a negative expectation on all the games they play. Are they brain dead because they gamble in casinos or are they gaining in some way because of that activity? Most people gamble for fun, enjoyment, excitement, maybe to get lucky at times and win some money, vacation and so on but basically it is a divertissement or pastime for them. They know they have the worst of it but do it for the enjoyment and excitement of doing so. Are they brain dead for doing this or are they benefiting in several ways? Further, they are going up against games where the odds are fixed against them, depending upon the bets they make. No matter how simple or complex the game is, no matter how simple or complex their playing strategy, there is no legal method they can use to win over a long period of time. Ziginette is dead even, there is no edge one way or the other unless the house charges on each winning bet. Are the people who play this game more “brain dead” then other casinos players who go up against anywhere from about 1% against them on up to 10 to 15% or more? These people are also playing for the reasons given above. (Of course, if someone books the game there is going to be a charge for playing, but the game itself is dead even.) Then we have the poker playing crowd, some of whom think because they are playing a “skill” game they are cleverer or smarter than others who play the casino games. But are they really? I would estimate about 95% of poker players who play online or in card rooms lose over the long run. They are essentially playing for the fun and enjoyment while fooling themselves that their skill will overcome the odds against them. In most cases it will not. One can argue they are just as brain dead for playing a game they will lose at over time, the same as the casino players even though they are playing a skill game. Are these people also brain dead or are they receiving other benefits for playing a game they enjoy playing. Then of course there are the people who run the poker games. They are not gamblers at all if they are charging time or a rake. They are simply businessmen deriving a profit from their endeavors. |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
Ziginette is dead even, except for the fact that of the operators 5% rake, according to Tony, and the casino's 10% rake, according to the Italian site in the link that I put up above. Personally I am interested learning about it with a view to operating a game rather than playing it. What I like about it the simplicity of it and there is not much equipment to it at all.
Nice site for faro: http://buckthetiger.webs.com/
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
The chiefest ingenuity of this game Ziginette lies in the persuading of the punters to play it and pay one for the privilege of doing so. Do you have any tips on how to go about that, my boy?
I guess the way to go about that is to do as they do in Monty. That is, start with shills playing the game, perhaps?
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