The Magic Café
Username:
Password:
[ Lost Password ]
  [ Forgot Username ]
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » Grand illusion » » Crazy Halloween prank!!! (0 Likes) Printer Friendly Version

AllAboutMagic
View Profile
Veteran user
California
333 Posts

Profile of AllAboutMagic
tristanmagic
View Profile
Special user
533 Posts

Profile of tristanmagic
Here we go again... ;-)
jimhlou
View Profile
Inner circle
3698 Posts

Profile of jimhlou
I hope he had permission from someone to do this!!

Jim
tristanmagic
View Profile
Special user
533 Posts

Profile of tristanmagic
LOL Jim
magicelam
View Profile
Veteran user
Tennessee
368 Posts

Profile of magicelam
Hahaha... just couldn't resist? you stir up trouble... but in a good way Smile
Mike
illusionman2
View Profile
Special user
991 Posts

Profile of illusionman2
This Illusion is in PUBLIC DOMAIN
1.not patented
2. no one is selling or procecting it
3.know one knows for sure it origions some say it a Vaudeville stunt , or a clown gag or a costume, or the small girl on TV.
magicelam
View Profile
Veteran user
Tennessee
368 Posts

Profile of magicelam
James - I agree... But the last post on this topic got out of hand...
Mike
tristanmagic
View Profile
Special user
533 Posts

Profile of tristanmagic
Quote:
On 2012-11-01 15:18, illusionman2 wrote:
This Illusion is in PUBLIC DOMAIN
1.not patented
2. no one is selling or procecting it
3.know one knows for sure it origions some say it a Vaudeville stunt , or a clown gag or a costume, or the small girl on TV.


1. It's not because it is not patented that it is in Public domain!
Many illusions are not patented but still you have to get permission to use it and pay for the rights to do so - like Steinmeyer, Andre Kole, Daniel Summers & John Taylor illusions
Patents don't work for illusions because you need to give the secret away and even when Steinmeyer patented his origami it got ripped off anyway!
It's all about ethics and Professional courtesy

2.We do know where the versions originate, examples are Cyrils & Rafaels version.
And some are protected like Rafael's version, he won a court case over this.
The reason that the Japanese girl, Cyril, Rafael and Peter Marvey don't sell their own unique versions of this effect is because they like to keep their versions exclusive for their own show and of course they are entitled to do so.

3. While there was a costume where you hold your own head, the dropping of the head was independently created by the little Japanese girl & by Rafael around the same time.
Rafael was able to prove in court that before he created his version there was no simular effect in existance so it is not an old vaudeville or clown gag like some claim (false claims probably made by copy-cats so they can sell or perform a rip-off)
Since both where created without knowing of each other and since they are very different from each other and there was never a issue between the two of them.
Cyril created the best version of this effect after asking permission from the Japanese girl (since his version is inspired by hers) and his version is the most populair and the one that people try to copy.
I say try as it is very difficult and expensive to build a good version, Cyrils version cost over $15000

All the above facts have been checked and a lot of top professionals & historicals know these facts as well.
tristanmagic
View Profile
Special user
533 Posts

Profile of tristanmagic
Oops, historicals = historians ;-)
magicelam
View Profile
Veteran user
Tennessee
368 Posts

Profile of magicelam
I can see the research and development, etc of Cyril's costing 15000. His gimmick did not cost 15000.
Mike
tristanmagic
View Profile
Special user
533 Posts

Profile of tristanmagic
Quote:
On 2012-11-01 18:32, magicelam wrote:
I can see the research and development, etc of Cyril's costing 15000. His gimmick did not cost 15000.


Yes, it did cost him $ 15000 - according to Cyril himself.
magicelam
View Profile
Veteran user
Tennessee
368 Posts

Profile of magicelam
What is it made out of, diamonds?
Mike
w_s_anderson
View Profile
Inner circle
The United States
1226 Posts

Profile of w_s_anderson
Quote:
On 2012-11-01 19:27, magicelam wrote:
What is it made out of, diamonds?


hahahahahahahahahahaha!
tristanmagic
View Profile
Special user
533 Posts

Profile of tristanmagic
It's not just for the gimmick!
A lot of time & money goes into the prototypes and research & development until it is perfected.
$ 15000 is peanuts when creating something.
magicelam
View Profile
Veteran user
Tennessee
368 Posts

Profile of magicelam
I just said that above and you corrected me...
Mike
tristanmagic
View Profile
Special user
533 Posts

Profile of tristanmagic
You are right, I wrote 'gimmick' but I meant to say 'illusion'.
So no need for me to correct you instead I need to correct myself ;-)
magicelam
View Profile
Veteran user
Tennessee
368 Posts

Profile of magicelam
Hahaha, no prob. I totally believe tons of research went into it. We can argue ethics all day long, but I'm sure our arguments aren't going to change the outcome of this Halloween prank - which I thought was neat.
Mike
The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » Grand illusion » » Crazy Halloween prank!!! (0 Likes)
[ Top of Page ]
All content & postings Copyright © 2001-2024 Steve Brooks. All Rights Reserved.
This page was created in 0.02 seconds requiring 5 database queries.
The views and comments expressed on The Magic Café
are not necessarily those of The Magic Café, Steve Brooks, or Steve Brooks Magic.
> Privacy Statement <

ROTFL Billions and billions served! ROTFL