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Jim Sparx Inner circle Far Out, Texas 1144 Posts |
Incredible that someone would give up a lifetime of achievement for sex.
Et tu, Spartacus?
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
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On 2012-11-09 21:26, NicholasD wrote: As of now Petraeus is still scheduled to testify. |
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Well, spartacus, Arthur Schopenhauer wrote about that very well.
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[Sexual love] is the ultimate goal of almost all human effort; it…interrupts every hour the most serious occupations, and sometimes perplexes for a while even the greatest minds. It does not hesitate…to interfere with negotiations of statesmen and the investigations of the learned. It knows how to slip its love-notes and ringlets even into ministerial portfolios and philosophical manuscripts… And the theme of course has been taken up by many artists and writers. Gide in La symphonie pastorale, Mann in Der Tod in Venedig, to mention only two rather obscure works. And of course there's the case of King Edward VIII, too . . . Meanwhile, Victor Hanson poses some interesting questions about the mysteries of Berenice: Quote:
Why was there a consulate at all in Benghazi, given that most nations have shut down their main embassies in Tripoli? Why was there such a large CIA contingent nearby — what were they doing and why and for whom? Why did the ambassador think he needed more security when so many CIA operatives were stationed just minutes away? What was the exact security relationship between the annex and the consulate, and why the apparent quiet about it? Who exactly were the terrorist hit-teams, and did they have a particular agenda, and, if so, what and for whom? All these questions had not been answered and probably would have been raised during the scheduled Petraeus testimony — which is apparently now canceled, but why that is so, no one quite knows. And if Hillary Clinton departs, and perhaps Susan Rice and James Clapper as well, then the principals of the decision-making chain leave with more questions raised than answered. We are sort of back to a Watergate-like timeline of a scandal raised but not explored in a first term, only to blow up in the second. Despite the complaisant press (see RobertSmith's comments in another thread), I think some of this is going to come out. |
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
Here is a good article and a quote from the article on General Petraeus:
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The army and Marines published the final version of the Counterinsurgency Field Manual in December 2006. http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/10/opinion/be......pt=hp_t1
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Jim Sparx Inner circle Far Out, Texas 1144 Posts |
Mine was a rhetorical question.
O mighty Caesar! dost thou lie so low? Are all thy conquests, glories, triumphs, spoils, Shrunk to this little measure? (Shakespeare, Julius Caesar, III.i.148)
Et tu, Spartacus?
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
My apologies, spartacus. In retrospect, I should have realized that. Still, the chance to mention Schopenhauer, Mann, and Gide was not to be missed!
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Destiny Inner circle 1429 Posts |
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On 2012-11-10 12:25, spartacus wrote: I would think more typical than incredible. Not that I judge the man - he would not be the first to genuinely love and adore his wife but still find the need for something else. And we will never ever know the stresses his service to his country has put on him. Who among us has had to send people out to do a job where they may die and some undoubtedly have. A lifetime of that sort of sacrifice is bound to have an effect. As for the circumstances I think Dreadnought has explained it perfectly. Quote:
It's not so much "Pillow talk" but rather that it is a weakness that can be exposed and used in extortion. I am sure General Petraeous knew this as the U.S. Army regularly has required SAEDAA (Subversion and espionage directed against the army) training. A big part of that training is the danger of adulterous affairs and other sexual encounters. Also, adulterous affairs in the world of espionage and military operations erodes the trust of those who depend on each other. |
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Suppose that knowledge he had had this affair with an operative -USMA graduate and journalist- was a qualification for the job, in the eyes of those that hired him . . .
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2012-11-09 20:19, mastermindreader wrote: But THIS is the really funny / curious bit: http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/1......s-story/ http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/15/magazi......ond.html Coincidence? Who knows. (Be sure to read the response to the second of the questions on the second link).
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
P.S. I see that an update has been posted at one of the pages above, disavowing it from the current affair. In which case, I wonder who it WAS referring to?
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S2000magician Inner circle Yorba Linda, CA 3465 Posts |
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On 2012-11-10 14:26, spartacus wrote: It might have been rhetorical, but it wasn't a question. |
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Hi balducci! It seemed a bit hypocritical to me, thought typical for the New Duranty Times, that the self-designated ethicist questioned why the letter-writer would want to publicize his wife's affair in the newspaper, even anonymously, but then went ahead and enabled it to happen.
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
The "New Duranty Times" can do no right in your eyes so I not surprised that you are not impressed. I'm sure you would have found fault there, Woland, no matter what it did.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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Philip Busk Loyal user 229 Posts |
The thing smells of mis-direction. Let's face it, there are affairs going on all over Washington DC and no one cares.
"It's not so much "Pillow talk" but rather that it is a weakness that can be exposed and used in extortion." As an ex holder of special access secret level clearance I can tell you that the extortion concern is only if the person is trying to keep it under wraps. That doesn't appear to be the case here. Once it's out in the open it's no longer a gavernement issue/problem. It's out in the open and he also losses his job over it. hmmmm
Philip Busk
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Woland Special user 680 Posts |
Seriously, balducci, you don't think this comment is weird?
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The fact that you’re willing to accept your wife’s infidelity for some greater political good is beyond honorable. |
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Destiny Inner circle 1429 Posts |
In a world first I find myself in complete agreement with FoxNews.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/11/0......service/ |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts |
Sorry D, they used the "s word" (should) and so I find the article suspect.
I prefer to leave the author to their wishful thinking and others to ponder the fuss in context. Any word about the other party? The writer is also married...
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Destiny Inner circle 1429 Posts |
I actually don't need my agreement with the piece vindicated. I'm quite happy to agree with it all by myself.
I doubt many of us would have a personal history which would stand up under the sort of scrutiny General Petraeus has undergone and while I understand the reason for the scrutiny considering the position he held, his affair does not tarnish him in my eyes. |
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2012-11-10 22:56, Woland wrote: I would describe it as a reasonable enough response to a bizarre 'letter to the columnist'. If it was an honest and serious letter, and apparently it was at least so far as we know, the overall reply seemed not too bad. It touched on various ethical issues the letter raised, including the author's possible motives for writing the letter in the first place. Posting from a park bench in New Farm, Brisbane. Those socialist Aussies with their free wifi zones. Gotta love 'em. Gotta see if I can find a nearby pub using Google Earth. Oh yeah, saw a nice memorial service in Brisbane this morning. So far as I could tell, afterwards regular folk were milling about and chatting amiably with the Aussie defenders. No protests or negativity at all. Pretty positive. Bought an Aussie style poppy pin to wear. Well, off to the pub.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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Destiny Inner circle 1429 Posts |
Balducci,
Were you in Anzac Square in the city? (It's a square park surrounded by high rise with the flame in a stone rotunda up 2 grand flights of stone stairs). I still have my poppy from the service there last year. My maternal grandfather fought as a teenager on the Kokoda Track in Papua New Guinea against the Japanese, a truly horrific battle, and a friend's grandfather and great grandfather were veterans. We were very glad we chose that service to attend - it's a particularly nice spot to remember with that minute of tranquility in a lovely oasis in the middle of a bustling city. It would be very unusual to see protests at an event like that in Australia. Since the Vietnam War there seems to be almost universal agreement in the country that if any blame is to be apportioned for a conflict, then politicians will wear it, not our fighting men and women. Westboro Baptist type protests at a military funeral would be inconceivable, and I don't think people in the United States understand the sense of shock we have when we see that sort of behaviour. I don't think we have laws against it, though it might be covered by public disorder type offences, but it would just go against our cultural sense of what is decent and acceptable. I lived in New Farm from when I left school at 16 till my nearly twenties. I was going to say if only those park benches could talk, but then I thought perhaps it's better with you there that they stay quiet. |
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